What say you?

[danielwagner]

I favor larger-more intrusive government, more social services and higher taxes!

I favor smaller-less intrusive government, less social services and lower taxes!

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“Seventy percent (70%) of likely voters now favor a government that offers fewer services and imposes lower taxes over one that provides more services with higher taxes, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey…

…Most Republicans (88%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (78%) like a government with lower taxes and fewer services, and 48% of Democrats agree. However, one-in-three Democrats (34%) prefer more government services and higher taxes…”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/america_s_best_days

[0341isa]

Well from the working of your choices, and the tone of your post, I think we can all guess which one YOU prefer. :rolleyes: Actually I am right with you though. I don't need big Gov't to decide how to spend my money for me.

[danielwagner]

For me this is not about Democrats or Republicans...it is about you and me...Americans. I am really fed up with the division that these two parties create. I would rather we flush out both houses and start a new, seriously.

We have had a Congress that seems to believe (if you go by their collective actions) that they are entitled to enact anything they can conceive (for some time). We were and are meant to have a limited government. We are meant to be responsible in our exercise of freedom and to the needs of our neighbor.

The military is one of the few successes I can thinf of that we can credit the government with...but that is only when they set the agenda (after diplomacy has failed) and let the military work its magic.

[Richard Burns]

I didn't vote because for these issues require answers and solutions with more complexity.

I want a less intrusive government.

I like some social programs BUT they need a lot of fixing.

I HATE the way the government keeps bailing out greedy corupt corporations. Theey should crash and burn if they can't run their damn businesses properly.

I'd rather see programs to help small business owners if anything.

Less government is always better. I will say that much.

[Richard Burns]

Bump for the purpose of opening a dialog to these issues and at the same time stopping this thread from getting burried.

[abonifi1]

I favor larger-more intrusive government, more social services and higher taxes!

I favor smaller-less intrusive government, less social services and lower taxes!

__________________________________________________ _______________


“Seventy percent (70%) of likely voters now favor a government that offers fewer services and imposes lower taxes over one that provides more services with higher taxes, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey…

…Most Republicans (88%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (78%) like a government with lower taxes and fewer services, and 48% of Democrats agree. However, one-in-three Democrats (34%) prefer more government services and higher taxes…”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/america_s_best_days

Daniel, based on Obama's last speech, and the reacrions from Reid, and Pelosi over the past couple of weeks, you would believe otherwise.

The truth of the matter is Americans want less Gov.involvement, but the opposite has happened regrettably from the time of Andrew Jackson, when he established the first Federal Bank.

Although some of the changes have been necessary in a developing country, most of the changes have hurt America in the long run,and our politicians are irresponsible in their duties.

They rely on theat 30% to keep them in power, so that they can continue on the same disruptive causes,

[danielwagner]

Daniel, based on Obama's last speech, and the reacrions from Reid, and Pelosi over the past couple of weeks, you would believe otherwise.

The truth of the matter is Americans want less Gov.involvement, but the opposite has happened...

Spot on! Americans appear to be coming out of their slumber http://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/NewsChannel.aspx?ArticleID=D9AM240O2&CatID=TopHeadlines

Not being able to know another's thoughts but being able to assess their actions; the President and his minions/supporters are in a feverish frenzy over the American Socialist Movement and its immediate and far ranging objectives whilst the People represented by the Constitution stand in peaceful defiance.

Is this new political ground for the President? While President Obama demands submission the People are found unwilling to kneel.

[amplify]

I think that some social programs are great.

I'm glad that the government is finally taking over the medical industry and instituting a federal care program. It's about damned time the billion dollar industry die with their bureaucratic bullsh*t paperwork, delays and denials of claims which could potentially extend, save lives or at least make those ending a little more comfortable in the end.

Though, I think others should be fixed. Such as welfare.

But in order to fix welfare, the immigration must be fixed.

So, it's a 50/50 situation. If one thing changes, another must also in order for it to work.

We'll get it right one day... hopefully.

[danielwagner]

I think that some social programs are great.

I'm glad that the government is finally taking over the medical industry and instituting a federal care program. It's about damned time the billion dollar industry die with their bureaucratic bullsh*t paperwork, delays and denials of claims which could potentially extend, save lives or at least make those ending a little more comfortable in the end.

Though, I think others should be fixed. Such as welfare.

But in order to fix welfare, the immigration must be fixed.

So, it's a 50/50 situation. If one thing changes, another must also in order for it to work.

We'll get it right one day... hopefully.

I think I understand where you are coming from. I share your sentiment. Who could argue against feeding the poor or sheltering those without a home? Where we might part company is whose responsibility is it.

The government may have an entirely different motive than say a neighbor or local charitable organization. I believe the government does things to empower its members while a charity would rather empower the individual.

If the war on poverty could be won through welfare it would have ended by now, don't you think?

After a point taxes stymie economic growth. Taxes are what fund government social programs. More programs or sheople-higher taxes to support it/sheople. Less capital-diminished job creation. Less jobs more sheople enrolled in social programs. Like the Lady said the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money...

[abonifi1]

I think that some social programs are great.

I'm glad that the government is finally taking over the medical industry and instituting a federal care program. It's about damned time the billion dollar industry die with their bureaucratic bullsh*t paperwork, delays and denials of claims which could potentially extend, save lives or at least make those ending a little more comfortable in the end.

Though, I think others should be fixed. Such as welfare.

But in order to fix welfare, the immigration must be fixed.

So, it's a 50/50 situation. If one thing changes, another must also in order for it to work.

We'll get it right one day... hopefully.

Although you are correct, the industry has gone to crap, for lack of a better word, the government solves no problems, I have lived in gov.run health care systems, they are not that good.

My wife, a Japanese national, still boasts about how good the American System is over the Japanese, and the other Socialized coutries she has had to live in with me.

Socialized Medicine is horrid, and only a person who has not had to endure it can say otherwise.

Regulation for a while is neccessary, I will agree with,because of how ridiculous American Medicine has become, but nationalized medicine is a downfall.

[amplify]

My wife, a Japanese national, still boasts about how good the American System is over the Japanese, and the other Socialized coutries she has had to live in with me.

I have Japanese health insurance and pay roughly 1000Y a month. When I got a stress fracture on my leg, I waited about 20 minutes for an X-RAY and a diagnosis then was discharged. I don't have any problem with this system. :first:

[Richard Burns]

I say neither.

I support NO government and NO taxes!

I support Anarchy!

[Richard Burns]

Anarchy! Anarchy! Of course I also support b a c o n rights!

[P_chan]

Only a fool would want anarchy.

[dk]

If by anarchy you mean a four day weekend, then yeah, I could go for some anarchy right about now.

[P_chan]

If by anarchy you mean a four day weekend, then yeah, I could go for some anarchy right about now.

I've got a three day weekend coming up:thumbup:

[Blues]

Only a fool would want anarchy.

because chaos cannot sustain itself.

[Richard Burns]

Anarchy FTW! Anarchy is survival of the fittest.

[P_chan]

Anarchy FTW! Anarchy is survival of the fittest.

No it's not, it's a lack of any type of central government or order. It may lead to a "survival of the fittest" type of scenario but it's not survival of the fittest. In the event of anarchy, we would either completely destroy each other, or be taken over bay another government. Maybe you should research things before you spout out nonsense?

[dk]

P_chan leave RB alone. He has enough research on his hands right now as it is (33, string theory, etc).

[Richard Burns]

No it's not, it's a lack of any type of central government or order. It may lead to a "survival of the fittest" type of scenario but it's not survival of the fittest. In the event of anarchy, we would either completely destroy each other, or be taken over bay another government. Maybe you should research things before you spout out nonsense?



You're right I just screwed up how I explained it but obviously you understood.

I don't mean just one country. I'm talking globally. World wide anarchy and
b a c o n rights.

[P_chan]

You're right I just screwed up how I explained it but obviously you understood.

I don't mean just one country. I'm talking globally. World wide anarchy and
b a c o n rights.

Ah so you admit you have no idea what you're talking about.:thumbup:

[Richard Burns]

Ah so you admit you have no idea what you're talking about.:thumbup:

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The problem lies in the delivery in which I relay said ideas and opinion and therefore it appears I don't know what I'm talking about.

Now there is that 5% of the time I'm misinformed and I learn from those moments when I recieve the correct information.

[P_chan]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. The problem lies in the delivery in which I relay said ideas and opinion and therefore it appears I don't know what I'm talking about.

Now there is that 5% of the time I'm misinformed and I learn from those moments when I recieve the correct information.


ROR, whatever you say guy. It's quite obvious that you have NO idea what you're talking about:rolleyes:.

[dk]

If by 5% you mean 50%, then yes. :)

Like you said, another delivery problem.

[P_chan]

If by 5% you mean 50%, then yes. :)

Like you said, another delivery problem.

50%? That's pretty generous, I'd say more like 70%.:D

[Jazz]

No offense RB, just an observation but it seems to me that you spend a lot of time throwing out random ideas or misheard/misunderstood thoughts about various topics that you know very little about. I can't say that you are wrong for doing this and I guess maybe it's your way of learning. Or maybe you do it on purpose, knowing that you're full of shit, just to get a rise out of people. IDK...but I personally try to not talk about anything unless I know it's fact. It's one thing to state opinions and personal preferences on various topics you have experience with but completely different to mislead people with false information that may be perceived by some as fact. I think Abe Lincoln said "It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.". Just bored and thinking out loud..

[Spadesy]

^ Reminds me of this Captain I used to work for. He'd always state something then be like "...right?" And look at me.

You have no idea how many times I wanted to say "YOU'RE THE ******* CAPTAIN, YOU TELL ME!!" :smile4:

[Richard Burns]

^ True to a point bit you gotta remember officers aren't doing the work. They're like politicians on a way. They depend on the NCOs and SNCOs to keep them in the loop.

[Spadesy]

Nah, he just straight up didn't know what an officer in his billet should've known. Which was fine and dandy, but don't try to act all bossy when you don't know what's going on, just makes you an obstacle.

Like during one exercise,

Him: "Don't worry, I moved the recon teams."
Me: "Good to go sir."
*later*
Other section: "Hey, where are our recon teams?"
Me: "They are here."
Other section: "No, they are not."
*I go to investigate and don't understand what the disconnect is until about half an hour later*
Me: "Sir, I don't think the training audience knew their recon teams were moved."
Him: "Wait. I'm supposed to tell them that?"

*facepalm*

[GarryK]

If by anarchy you mean a four day weekend, then yeah, I could go for some anarchy right about now.

When you retire, every day is a weekend. You can claim that every day is a Sunday and on Sunday's you spend your time with JU Forums. You can neglect mowing the grass, picking weeds, triming trees, but you can never get away from servicing your wife's needs.

My wife's needs are (and not necessarily in this order):
1. Take her to the grocery store.
2. Take her to the mall.
3. Take her out to dinner (and that does not mean the A&W).
4. Give her some spending money.
5. And the most important one is "Give me the car keys. Give me some money. You stay home. I'm going shopping. I'll be back." If she has a suit case in hand, be cautious of the last statement.

All of this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It does let you know what to look forward to when you retire. Lets hope that by then the problems with medical insurance/treatment are fixed here in the States.

Respectfully, Garry

[danielwagner]

When you retire, every day is a weekend. You can claim that every day is a Sunday and on Sunday's you spend your time with JU Forums. You can neglect mowing the grass, picking weeds, triming trees, but you can never get away from servicing your wife's needs.

My wife's needs are (and not necessarily in this order):
1. Take her to the grocery store.
2. Take her to the mall.
3. Take her out to dinner (and that does not mean the A&W).
4. Give her some spending money.
5. And the most important one is "Give me the car keys. Give me some money. You stay home. I'm going shopping. I'll be back." If she has a suit case in hand, be cautious of the last statement.

All of this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It does let you know what to look forward to when you retire. Lets hope that by then the problems with medical insurance/treatment are fixed here in the States.

Respectfully, Garry

In some cases #5 (Honey, can I get the door for you?) might be cause for a celebration.:grin1: