Anywhere but here......

[Okihater]

No seriously..... ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.

This is not a rash, spur of the moment opinion, but instead the opinion of an individual that has been stationed on this rock for 2 1/2 years. I couldn't think of a better place to be stationed prior to my arrival here. When I showed up though I discovered that i had been lied to about every aspect of this place.

The Japanese don't want us here..... the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

[Jazz]

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

Did a ton of drugs back in the day.

[Okihater]

maybe you should beg your superiors to send you to Afghanistan ...hear the weather is lovely over there and the women are ..........hidden:scratchchin:
And by the way "Japanese" don't want us here is a bit overly generalized...a hand full of "japanese" people don't want us here but they make it appear as though it is a large majority...maybe you could do an actual survey and see what percentage "don't want us here" Here is another idea,you are here for 3 years ....ahhhhmmm get a license go out and see the island .....

Well thanks for the standard "Maybe you should go to Afghanistan" reply. But I have been. Furthermore actually comparing this place to Afghanistan doesn't help prove your point. If the only way you can make this place better is to think of the worst place possible than you just proved my point.

I am further complexed as to why you would assume i don't have a car or license. I have traveled the island, I am scuba certified, i have surfed, been rock climbing, road biking, camping, and drinking. I went to all the tours i could and have done what i could to make this assignment enjoyable. I have found these activities to be less exciting than other assignments i have done them at and have noticed this island slowly sucking the life out of me.

But thanks for your wisdom here

[DoctorP]

I'm pretty sure wherever you came from must be nice...since your sorry ass isn't there any more.

[Richard Burns]

I hate Okinawa so much. This island blows. I miss Camp Lejuene.:rolleyes:

[proudtobnotpc]

No seriously..... ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.

This is not a rash, spur of the moment opinion, but instead the opinion of an individual that has been stationed on this rock for 2 1/2 years. I couldn't think of a better place to be stationed prior to my arrival here. When I showed up though I discovered that i had been lied to about every aspect of this place.

The Japanese don't want us here..... the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

please don't take this the wrong way but I don't think it's Island I think it's your attitude.:scratchchin:

[RODSCALIP5]

Get off the island ie. mainland, go back home for a couple of weeks, deploy every 2-4 months........You're almost done.......what are you complaining about?

[Richard Burns]

Honestly this island is not for everybody. He has every right to hate this island. He is right about the weather. The weather here sucks 9 months out of the year. It's too damn hot.

But eerything else here us great. I hate the states compared to here. That's why I'm still here. Okinawa FTW.

[socalheart]

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.
PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS
I hear that the Kwajalein Atoll Marshall Islands is pretty rough; something about no cars, but it is known for excellent diving. I suppose that anywhere can be the worse place ever if you're predisposed to negativity. At least you've attempted to get out and do something with your time here. It's unfortunate for you that nothing seemed to make you happy regardless of what you did. Some people are just not happy unless they're miserable. Lucky for you, you're leaving soon.

[uriel]

No seriously..... ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.

This is not a rash, spur of the moment opinion, but instead the opinion of an individual that has been stationed on this rock for 2 1/2 years. I couldn't think of a better place to be stationed prior to my arrival here. When I showed up though I discovered that i had been lied to about every aspect of this place.

The Japanese don't want us here..... the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

what you're missing is that pretty much you are a tool. so you'd rather be in 29 palms? you let the fact that some people off base don't like us have that much of an effect on you? it doesn't matter where you are, you will hate it. here's a thought, you could always just get out after your contract is up and go "home". i would HATE to be around you in real life. you'd probably be doing your best to drag everyone around you down with your pearls of wisdom. what is it that got you so riled up? wife was lonely and found something else to keep her occupied and you just like to blame it on the island? don't get me wrong, i don't LOVE this place, but damn, it isn't that bad. you aren't by chance from a really small, backwoods town in the middle of podunk, are you? the ones who sound like you are more often than not from those types of places.

[Okihater]

So you think Afghanistan is better than Okinawa?
If you have a car and a license I assume you have a girlfriend or wife?
if so ............
Now you said you are scuba certified etc etc and you still have qualms about Okinawa:scratchchin::-|
If you can't find any enjoyment here then it sucks to be you


I have said car but I am not sure why that would indicate that i have a girlfriend or wife.....

I am not sure why I feel the necessity to state all of the activities i participate in but there is more to an assignment than just off base activities.

Maybe i am being unnecessarily critical of this place but why have I been lied to about what to expect prior to being here? It is probably useless now but is there any way to turn this shitty assignment around?

[kinsermarine]

No seriously..... ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.

This is not a rash, spur of the moment opinion, but instead the opinion of an individual that has been stationed on this rock for 2 1/2 years. I couldn't think of a better place to be stationed prior to my arrival here. When I showed up though I discovered that i had been lied to about every aspect of this place.

The Japanese don't want us here..... the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

I could not agree more, your not missing anything. One of the best things I've heard about this place is that it's great to travel to other countries. Really? I wouldn't consider it to be a good assignment if one of the perks is to be away from here as much as possible.

[RODSCALIP5]

I have said car but I am not sure why that would indicate that i have a girlfriend or wife.....

I am not sure why I feel the necessity to state all of the activities i participate in but there is more to an assignment than just off base activities.

Maybe i am being unnecessarily critical of this place but why have I been lied to about what to expect prior to being here? It is probably useless now but is there any way to turn this shitty assignment around?

LOL! You've got 6 months to go, just ride it out and chalk it up as a loss.........

[RODSCALIP5]

Do I smell Trolls???

[proudtobnotpc]

I have said car but I am not sure why that would indicate that i have a girlfriend or wife.....

I am not sure why I feel the necessity to state all of the activities i participate in but there is more to an assignment than just off base activities.

Maybe i am being unnecessarily critical of this place but why have I been lied to about what to expect prior to being here? It is probably useless now but is there any way to turn this shitty assignment around?
yeah change your attitude and stop the negative shit

[Okihater]

I am confused as to how you know that I am a bad person bringing others down because I am not happy here. I didn't start a blog about my last assignment and it was not one to be Bragged about.

I could be wrong but i don't think my friends or coworkers dislike me...... but i guess i should take that pole next


instead of insutling, how about an actual reason of why this is a good assignment..... that would be nice

[uriel]

I have said car but I am not sure why that would indicate that i have a girlfriend or wife.....

I am not sure why I feel the necessity to state all of the activities i participate in but there is more to an assignment than just off base activities.

Maybe i am being unnecessarily critical of this place but why have I been lied to about what to expect prior to being here? It is probably useless now but is there any way to turn this shitty assignment around?

3 year tour is usually accompanied, i.e. married with dependants.

so what EXACTLY have you been "lied" to about? you can turn it around by STOP BEING SO DAMN NEGATIVE!

[kinsermarine]

what you're missing is that pretty much you are a tool. so you'd rather be in 29 palms? you let the fact that some people off base don't like us have that much of an effect on you? it doesn't matter where you are, you will hate it. here's a thought, you could always just get out after your contract is up and go "home". i would HATE to be around you in real life. you'd probably be doing your best to drag everyone around you down with your pearls of wisdom. what is it that got you so riled up? wife was lonely and found something else to keep her occupied and you just like to blame it on the island? don't get me wrong, i don't LOVE this place, but damn, it isn't that bad. you aren't by chance from a really small, backwoods town in the middle of podunk, are you? the ones who sound like you are more often than not from those types of places.

This coming from someone who has over 2300 posts, sounds like you're taking advantage of this island.

[uriel]

I am confused as to how you know that I am a bad person bringing others down because I am not happy here. I didn't start a blog about my last assignment and it was not one to be Bragged about.

I could be wrong but i don't think my friends or coworkers dislike me...... but i guess i should take that pole next


instead of insutling, how about an actual reason of why this is a good assignment..... that would be nice

so this assignment sucks, your last one sucked, and you think you'll be happy somewhere else? so where exactly have you been stationed? just wondering, because you said "anywhere" would be better than here. i've got one for you, saginaw, michigan. that place is a hole. go there, and it'll give you a different perspective on this place.

[uriel]

This coming from someone who has over 2300 posts, sounds like you're taking advantage of this island.

i work behind a computer. i just take advantage of my job.

[uriel]

even so, 4 posts per day for a year and a half = 2300 posts.

[Richard Burns]

The only thing can say is being an E3 and below Marine here sucks. Stupid ass red card and crap.

But I'd your an NCO and above for Marines or in another branch or a civilian than I don't see how the island could suck.

[Okihater]

3 year tour is usually accompanied, i.e. married with dependants.

so what EXACTLY have you been "lied" to about? you can turn it around by STOP BEING SO DAMN NEGATIVE!



Nope i am on an unaccompanied tour here just unlucky i guess. STOP BEING NEGATIVE isn't my problem but thanks for your insight. I find it slightly hard to be positive being overworked and treated like a child on a daily basis.

I am specifically saying that I am sick of this place and confused as to what you find to be enjoyable here.......

[Richard Burns]

This coming from someone who has over 2300 posts, sounds like you're taking advantage of this island.


Take it easy now I can just see yor blood pressure rising. :rolleyes:

[proudtobnotpc]

The only thing can say is being an E3 and below Marine here sucks. Stupid ass red card and crap.

But I'd your an NCO and above for Marines or in another branch or a civilian than I don't see how the island could suck.

it sucks because I can only last 10 minutes in the soapies down in Naha because they are fcking hotties:w00t:

[uriel]

Nope i am on an unaccompanied tour here just unlucky i guess. STOP BEING NEGATIVE isn't my problem but thanks for your insight. I find it slightly hard to be positive being overworked and treated like a child on a daily basis.

I am specifically saying that I am sick of this place and confused as to what you find to be enjoyable here.......

being negative is about 90% of your problem. the island isn't overworking you, your shop is. at least do the intelligent thing and direct your anger at what is making you angry. you will be pissy and hate life no matter where you go. the only difference will be to what degree of pissed off and hating life you will be.

and like i asked you already, point blank, what exactly were you lied to about? not generalizations, not opinions, exactly what was it?

[Okihater]

My Last assignemt was actually a great assignment..... even though the base and community sucked the people were great and it made the time better.

[uriel]

The only thing can say is being an E3 and below Marine here sucks. Stupid ass red card and crap.

But I'd your an NCO and above for Marines or in another branch or a civilian than I don't see how the island could suck.

i did it in iwakuni for a few years and we had all the same restrictions. it is what you make of it.

[uriel]

My Last assignemt was actually a great assignment..... even though the base and community sucked the people were great and it made the time better.

so where was it? you can continue spewing BS, or you can actually answer the questions asked instead of the perpetual negative whining that you've been doing.

[Richard Burns]

the island isn't overworking you, your shop is at least do the intelligent thing and direct your anger at what is making you angry.

That's kind of hard to do when you're in the military.

[Tanimaga]

There's always a way out of Okinawa..

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/razor2.gif

[Jazz]

Nope i am on an unaccompanied tour here just unlucky i guess. STOP BEING NEGATIVE isn't my problem but thanks for your insight. I find it slightly hard to be positive being overworked and treated like a child on a daily basis.

I am specifically saying that I am sick of this place and confused as to what you find to be enjoyable here.......

For me it was the culture. I was instantly intrigued and interested in soaking up as much of the off base culture here as possible. I hated work, hated the rules, hated my co-workers, hated the barracks, HATED the base. And I immediately began sneaking off on my own w/out a lib. buddy, learning the language, spending every second of free time outside the gate. Taught myself to use the local bus, explored the island. Accidentally met a local, and been with her crazy ass ever since.

Still, I was ready to leave after my first two years. But when I got to the states, even though I was loving San Diego, I was also missing the shit out of this place and planning my return.

Good luck man.

[uriel]

That's kind of hard to do when you're in the military.

no, it isn't. free thought and intelligence are not things that are banned in the military. some people just take the easy way and get pissed at everything around them, as we see here.

[Richard Burns]

There's always a way out of Okinawa..

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/razor2.gif

That's awesome.

[uriel]

that is the manliest thing i've seen in at least the last 10 minutes.

[Okihater]

so where was it? you can continue spewing BS, or you can actually answer the questions asked instead of the perpetual negative whining that you've been doing.


I was told the standard lies we tell all the people coming here. The "yeah this is a great assignment if you make it one, get out explore and participate in things." all the Japanese girsl are great, the bars and clubs are great, the Weather gets hot but it is great year round, as an NCO you will be living off base...... Blah Blah Blah......

I did get out and I did explore. I was excited about the Road Biking and the the water sports. I have found the roads to be dangerous and horrible to ride on due to quality and safety. I found surfing to be absolutly horrible unless you are willing to sacrafice your rank to surf during sea condition red. And then I have found plenty of people like you ready to attack someone with a legitiment opinion..... but i still haven't heard a reason why this could be conidered a good assignment

[Okihater]

For me it was the culture. I was instantly intrigued and interested in soaking up as much of the off base culture here as possible. I hated work, hated the rules, hated my co-workers, hated the barracks, HATED the base. And I immediately began sneaking off on my own w/out a lib. buddy, learning the language, spending every second of free time outside the gate. Taught myself to use the local bus, explored the island. Accidentally met a local, and been with her crazy ass ever since.

Still, I was ready to leave after my first two years. But when I got to the states, even though I was loving San Diego, I was also missing the shit out of this place and planning my return.

Good luck man.

Thank You...... and i must say i tried this approach. at the chance of sounding ignorant I must say i do not like the the culture here. I probably should have tried a little harder with my Japanese but considering i have no desire to use it again i will pass on that one. Yeah i am being a little negative but i don't know why I would be Happy.

But leaving the confines of the base and exploring on my bike has been one of my only saviors here. I just wish the weather was better and the roads were a little more biker friendly.

[newafguy]

I was told the standard lies we tell all the people coming here. The "yeah this is a great assignment if you make it one, get out explore and participate in things." all the Japanese girsl are great, the bars and clubs are great, the Weather gets hot but it is great year round, as an NCO you will be living off base...... Blah Blah Blah......

I did get out and I did explore. I was excited about the Road Biking and the the water sports. I have found the roads to be dangerous and horrible to ride on due to quality and safety. I found surfing to be absolutly horrible unless you are willing to sacrafice your rank to surf during sea condition red. And then I have found plenty of people like you ready to attack someone with a legitiment opinion..... but i still haven't heard a reason why this could be conidered a good assignment


I was told the same lie, I'm an E-5 still living in the airman dorms (10x10 jail cell) I was told I will not be able to live off base and was put on a waiting list for the NCO dorms. This is crazy, I was living off base and had my own apartment back in the states as an E-4 and the 12am curfew is pretty awesome as well. I've been here for about 3 months and so far this place is great.... not:thumbdown:

[OtisPMerriweather]

Okihater,

Thanked your posts not because I agree or anything, but because at least you're honest and you can communicate a complete thought, something that is becoming more of a rarety around here these days.

A lot of the reasons people shit on you around here for saying bad things about Okinawa is because they drink the Kool-Aid flavored awamori when it comes to Oki and the japanese chicks. Me personally, I feel you. I had a lot of fun in Oki, and I met some of my best friends there, many of them post here. But I can definitely see where people could have less than an enjoyable time in Oki.

A lot of folks come to Okinawa, learn some Japanese and hiragana to meet chicks, fall for an island princess and begin to feel like the longer they live here, the more Okinawan they become. Don't sweat that.

There's a lot of shit that blows in Oki. Personally I feel that especially for the junior Marines, there are so many layers of rules restricting them in order to prevent incidents, it actually ahs the opposite effect. PFC and LCpls are treated worse here than at any other duty station in the Marine Corps. But you gotta have a PMA (posititve mental additude). Make the best of a bad situation.

Besides Oki, I've been stationed in 29 Palms, Lejeune, Miramar, and Hawaii. So I've seen the spectrum of duty stations pretty much. And guess what? EVERY place I've been stationed there were those that hated it (even Hawaii) and those that loved it, including 29 Palms.

[badkitty]

I love Oki, I would come back in a heartbeat if I could. I understand why some people don't like it. They refuse to immerse themselves into such a lovely and interesting culture. The food is outstanding but like everywhere else in the world, there are tards. I don't understand why people would complain about living in a foreign country when you don't take the time to learn the language (at least the basics). I don't know what it is like to be a Marine on Island, I be in the Air Force so as far as restrictions go, that does have to SUCK BALLS

I rode bikes with my kids 3 times a week and NEVER had a problem. Okinawan people have been more than courteous when sharing the roads. My problem was when my ex got knocked off his bike by a damn American.....

The one thing that I learned about being in Okinawa is that too many Americans try to make it America and that is where you end up falling short.

[Muku]

instead of insutling, how about an actual reason of why this is a good assignment..... that would be nice

Any place or any assignment is as good or bad as YOU choose to make it.

Okinawa can be heaven or hell........it is only as good or bad as you want it to be!

[badkitty]

Dammit, I wanna come back to Oki!!!

[Okihater]

I can understand someone not agreeing with me but to attack me rather than arguing against my opinion would be Trolling in my opinion.

Yeah I don't like it here but i have tried.... I don't spread hate everywhere I am just not happy. How would i be helping my troops if I made every day horrible for them. So you like it here... WHY? i have only seen one actual answer and a whole bunch of attacks.

[Muku]

I was told the same lie, I'm an E-5 still living in the airman dorms (10x10 jail cell) I was told I will not be able to live off base and was put on a waiting list for the NCO dorms. This is crazy, I was living off base and had my own apartment back in the states as an E-4 and the 12am curfew is pretty awesome as well. I've been here for about 3 months and so far this place is great.... not:thumbdown:

It is only a lie if you choose to believe what scuttlebutt people choose to share with you.

Instead of listening to the BS, take the time and check things out for yourself through proper channesl.

Gossip is just that.........

[Jrocka83]

For me I both love and hate Okinawa equally.

I hate the traffic and and Highway 58, but I love the northbound drive.

I hate how Okinawans are narrow-minded and discriminatory in public, but I love how awesome they are when you get to know them on a personal level.

I hate Okinawa soba noodles, but I love the pork.

I hate the summer heat, but I love the fact it never really gets cold here.

I hate habu snakes, but I love habu sake!

I hate the overwhelming number amount of american presence here, but I love the American stuff here that you wont be able to find in mainland japan.

I hate not being able to drive any where far, but I love the instant tropical vacation that is waiting right down the street.

I hate Okinawan time and how you can never seem to get anywhere on time, but I always love having that excuse.

The list can go on. Maybe its the balance that people love and yarn for. Anyways I can't wait to be in mainland tomorrow! I am going to kiss the ground!

[badkitty]

So you like it here... WHY? i

Culture
People
food
Scenery
oh and JU and the HR!

[Okihater]

Well to me it seems like it would be a lie if they said something and it isn't true but i could be wrong. Coming to this island you depend on getting you answers from you sponsor and others that have been....... if they aren't telling the truth how would i know otherwise?

[Muku]

I can understand someone not agreeing with me but to attack me rather than arguing against my opinion would be Trolling in my opinion.

Yeah I don't like it here but i have tried.... I don't spread hate everywhere I am just not happy. How would i be helping my troops if I made every day horrible for them. So you like it here... WHY? i have only seen one actual answer and a whole bunch of attacks.

Why dont you like it here? Because of the expectations that people made you THINK you were going to experience?

Or are you unhappy here because what people told you about the island and their experiences hasnt lived up to your own expecatations?

[Muku]

Well to me it seems like it would be a lie if they said something and it isn't true but i could be wrong. Coming to this island you depend on getting you answers from you sponsor and others that have been....... if they aren't telling the truth how would i know otherwise?

Do you believe everything you hear and see on TV?

Sponsors opinions are based upon their own experiences. You should be smart enough to sort through the chaff.

[The Car Zcar]

Well, many opinions about your topic here. Let me toss mine into the fray! if you don't like it after doing everything you have done, nothing will change that. Just tell yourself that you did everything you could to make it work and it didn't. The ONLY thing I can recommend is doing something that makes you time even worse than what it has been so you can appreciate what you had. I don't know...I don't know....I don't know... Gott it! How about joining the New Car Sales team!?!? That will certainly change your thinking and show you the light that everything before was just a little clouded. Good luck for your last 6 months.

P.s. Just an idea for all you car sales defenders in here.

[TheLastDon]

Do you believe everything you hear and see on TV?

Sponsors opinions are based upon their own experiences. You should be smart enough to sort through the chaff.

What's up Muku? :)

[OtisPMerriweather]

I can understand someone not agreeing with me but to attack me rather than arguing against my opinion would be Trolling in my opinion.

Yeah I don't like it here but i have tried.... I don't spread hate everywhere I am just not happy. How would i be helping my troops if I made every day horrible for them. So you like it here... WHY? i have only seen one actual answer and a whole bunch of attacks.

That happens a lot when people have nothing useful to say.

On another note though, you do have to bear in mind that this is a military assignment, and you are in the military, and the military assigns you places not to have fun, but to accomplish a certain mission. If you can have fun at the same time, it's all good, but that's not the ultimate reason why we're here.

But look at it like this, EVERYBODY has a rotation date. They didn't nickname Okinawa the "rock" for nothing. To be honest, before the wars, Okinawa was one of the most dreaded duty staations for junior Marines. I heard nothing but bad things about it before I came the first time in 03. Turned out things weren't as bad as they said, and now, things aren't as good as somebody told you.

[Godzilla]

I will neither agree with you nor disagree with you. I have been to worse places and I have been to better places. I do not hate Okinawa, but at the same time I am not one of those guys that have a " I <3 Okinawa" bumper stickers. And always go around talking about how much I love the island. I know this may sound weird but those stickers get on my nerves for some reason. Anyways, you have ever right to hate this place. But you only have 6 months left, so my advice is to make the best out of the last 6 months you have left.

I have found that the best way to make time fly anywhere is to go out a get some poon-tang. Have fun, lie to women. Who cares in 6 months you will be outa here. Drink as much as possible and try to live each day to the fullest. You can have a blast anywhere in the world as long as you have a good attitude and party like a rock star!

[thistle]

I
I have found that the best way to make time fly anywhere is to go out a get some poon-tang. Have fun, lie to women. Who cares in 6 months you will be outa here. Drink as much as possible and try to live each day to the fullest. You can have a blast anywhere in the world as long as you have a good attitude and party like a rock star!


You know I have read some of your posts and as a woman, I sure hope i never run across you....

[Okihater]

Well I am happy to say that I don't understand the pains or frustration that a young marine would have to endure. That being said though the standards that you expect to get out of the military and the area I don't feel are being met.

I have had good times here...... I have a bunch a new friends that have made this place bareable but it still isn't an ideal place to be.

I am sick of my "Jail Cell" Thanks Newafguy........ I enjoy the fact that I was blessed with the ability to depart the base at time that i see fit!!!! But why would i want to do that with everyone else on curfew after 12 o'clock? Our Curfew here is more restrictive than in Korea...... Does that really make sense to you? and I have to deal with that because some retarted Marine broke some rules.... need I continue?

[Richard Burns]

^ So I guess an Air Force SSgt didn't take dirty pics of a 12 year old girl. That's the reason the USAF has Silver and Blue cards for libo.

[uriel]

Okihater,

Thanked your posts not because I agree or anything, but because at least you're honest and you can communicate a complete thought, something that is becoming more of a rarety around here these days.

A lot of the reasons people shit on you around here for saying bad things about Okinawa is because they drink the Kool-Aid flavored awamori when it comes to Oki and the japanese chicks. Me personally, I feel you. I had a lot of fun in Oki, and I met some of my best friends there, many of them post here. But I can definitely see where people could have less than an enjoyable time in Oki.

Besides Oki, I've been stationed in 29 Palms, Lejeune, Miramar, and Hawaii. So I've seen the spectrum of duty stations pretty much. And guess what? EVERY place I've been stationed there were those that hated it (even Hawaii) and those that loved it, including 29 Palms.

bullshit. he didn't answer any questions straight until asked 2 or 3 times and even then i'm still waiting to hear what great assignments he/she's been on prior to this. YOU've named where you've been stationed, HE/SHE still hasn't.

okihater, you are a moron if you think all this happened because of some MARINE. don't forget all the dui's the AF has had. how about the murder up north by the sailor? the "rape" of the he/she filipino by the soldier? so you are narrow minded, ignorant, and pissed off? go back to the states where you "belong", except i doubt you even belong there. so where are you from? big city? doubtful. backwoods? probable. how about some "honest" and straightforward answers to questions? also doubtful. here's a thought, log off the forum, and go spend the next six months in your barracks room, and at work. that way, you won't be disappointed with the "lies" that you were fed about this place, and you'll just "know" that those six months will suck. hey, at least you won't be disappointed... :scratchchin:

[Richard Burns]

That he/she incident with the soldier was not rape. It was consentual.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Damn. Sure seems like you're taking this thread personally, uriel...you act like he just took a shit on your front porch. :D

[uriel]

I have found that the best way to make time fly anywhere is to go out a get some poon-tang. Have fun, lie to women. Who cares in 6 months you will be outa here. Drink as much as possible and try to live each day to the fullest. You can have a blast anywhere in the world as long as you have a good attitude and party like a rock star!

is your sister or mom around? wouldn't that be some poetic justice. "Don't worry, I'll pull out". "Yeah baby, I love you more than life itself." Run a train and send them back your way. you are just a straight piece of shit. if my daughter ever runs across someone like you, someone's going to regret ever thinking like that. damn, are you even human? oh wait, nevermind. women are just warm holes. they're not really people... :rolleyes:

[uriel]

Damn. Sure seems like you're taking this thread personally, uriel...you act like he just took a shit on your front porch. :D

i might have been drinking some bull and goose tonight, i don't really remember. it's just negativity and ignorance, they push my buttons. that and people who have all their facilities and choose to be retards.

even if he did shit on my front porch, uh, i spent a lot of time in new orleans, and, well, it would probably just be karma paying me back for some things i've done on peoples' porches. but seriously, you live in an apartment RIGHT off of bourbon street, what did they expect??? :grin1:

[uriel]

That he/she incident with the soldier was not rape. It was consentual.

i know, after the fact it came out, but before the facts were known, the local media just took it as fact.

[Richard Burns]

Damn Uriel what why are you going Dr. Phil on us for. There nothing wrong with partying droning and having sex.

[Richard Burns]

Btw Uriel a lot of women want meaningless sex just as much as dudes. Some grips even enjoy having trains ran on them.

[uriel]

meaningless sex is cool, as long as you aren't manipulating the shit out of people and walking all over them to do it. most women who are into meaningless sex go into it knowing what they're getting into. taking advantage is a whole nother ball game. you got a daughter? makes one think a bit...

[uriel]

if you were drinking like you should be, it would be easier for you to keep up. someone's got some catching up to do!

[Godzilla]

is your sister or mom around? wouldn't that be some poetic justice. "Don't worry, I'll pull out". "Yeah baby, I love you more than life itself." Run a train and send them back your way. you are just a straight piece of shit. if my daughter ever runs across someone like you, someone's going to regret ever thinking like that. damn, are you even human? oh wait, nevermind. women are just warm holes. they're not really people... :rolleyes:

Damn, Wow did I strike a nerve!? Just trying to give the guy some advice and to go out and have some fun and not to take everything so serious. Get drunk make some bad decisions. That kind of stuff can be fun sometimes. I personally think that meeting women and having fun with them is an awesome way to kill some time. Just cuz you meet a girl and spend the night with does not mean you have to marry her. And come on the guy just got 6 months left here so I think finding a long term GF is outta the question.

I never said tell them you love them or you wanna get married. But shit, have some fun. Some girls out there are down to party. And I apologize if I offended any of you. Just think that going out and trying to meet some women is a better hobby that complaining about how much you hate Okinawa.

[TheLastDon]

Hey! where is the best place to live? I have always wondered this.....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=295&w=o

[uriel]

I have found that the best way to make time fly anywhere is to go out a get some poon-tang. Have fun, lie to women. Who cares in 6 months you will be outa here.

that is so far removed from go out and party that explaining it might not even catch you up to it. boozing it up and sleeping around is fine. have at it. but what you said here, and what you followed it with are 2 completely different things.

[Richard Burns]

meaningless sex is cool, as long as you aren't manipulating the shit out of people and walking all over them to do it. most women who are into meaningless sex go into it knowing what they're getting into. taking advantage is a whole nother ball game. you got a daughter? makes one think a bit...

As long as the woman is not underrage than she's not being taken advatage of. If she is talked into bed and regrets it later than tough shit.

I do have a daughter but I'll be teaching her how these busters think cuz I was those bad guys once so she'll be able to see through the BS.

[thistle]

Btw Uriel a lot of women want meaningless sex just as much as dudes. Some grips even enjoy having trains ran on them.

You thinks so? a lot.

well, i dunno about that, need to do a bit of research before i could say i agree with you on that one.
I would say men are far more likely to have meaningless sex than women.

[thistle]

sorry to elaborate on that, i mean that more often than not women may have meaningless sex without realising that that is all it is going to be.
Probably misled by liars like Godzilla.

[Godzilla]

that is so far removed from go out and party that explaining it might not even catch you up to it. boozing it up and sleeping around is fine. have at it. but what you said here, and what you followed it with are 2 completely different things.

Gotcha,
Ok I will explain exactly what I meant here...

By lie I mean like: "Yeah baby I think you are cute" or "Sure your butt don't look big in those pants" or "No I don't think you are a whore, Just because we meet 2 hours ago and we are heading to the love motel does not make you a bad person"

Does not matter cuz you are leaving in 6 months means:
That not to worry that I and the whole bar saw you leave with the town whore to go bump uglies because in 6 months you will be gone a won't have to listen to our shit anymore.

[TheLastDon]

I nominate this thread for "Thread of the Year":first:



http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=323&w=o


No good pizza here and real gyros!

[uriel]

I nominate this thread for "Thread of the Year":first:



http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=323&w=o


No good pizza here and real gyros!

are you drinking too??? i can almost understand, so either i'm ahead, or behind. oh screw it, imma go mix myself another one. mmmm..... gyros... or doner kebabs, either one would be good. well, not for my fat ass, but for my soul.

[Okihater]

bullshit. he didn't answer any questions straight until asked 2 or 3 times and even then i'm still waiting to hear what great assignments he/she's been on prior to this. YOU've named where you've been stationed, HE/SHE still hasn't.

okihater, you are a moron if you think all this happened because of some MARINE. don't forget all the dui's the AF has had. how about the murder up north by the sailor? the "rape" of the he/she filipino by the soldier? so you are narrow minded, ignorant, and pissed off? go back to the states where you "belong", except i doubt you even belong there. so where are you from? big city? doubtful. backwoods? probable. how about some "honest" and straightforward answers to questions? also doubtful. here's a thought, log off the forum, and go spend the next six months in your barracks room, and at work. that way, you won't be disappointed with the "lies" that you were fed about this place, and you'll just "know" that those six months will suck. hey, at least you won't be disappointed... :scratchchin:

Say what you will... this is the last response i will be putting out for you. If you like it here, GREAT!!!! I am slightly confused about how your pointing fingers and advising me about how I am a worthless american and my negativity is ruining the world is any different than what you are doing. If you want to pick a fight, head out to Gate 2 and find some young military guy and get that aggression out. But ranting like a child isn't very fitting, considering that is what you are accusing me of.......

[kinsermarine]

even so, 4 posts per day for a year and a half = 2300 posts.

After reading this forum I think your way over your quota for tonight, better give it a rest for a while.

[TheLastDon]

are you drinking too??? i can almost understand, so either i'm ahead, or behind. oh screw it, imma go mix myself another one. mmmm..... gyros... or doner kebabs, either one would be good. well, not for my fat ass, but for my soul.

I'm drinking but the Miller lite is not doing the trick, about to head out in a few....:)

[uriel]

so answer the questions asked instead of beating around the bush and crying like a bitch. where were you stationed that was so great? what lies were you told? you don't answer the questions asked, then bitch about everything here. it isn't that i like it so much here, but i'm not crying to some forum about how you were misled, lied to, abused, whatever. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND I WON'T BE GIVING YOU SHIT! UNTIL THEN, YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER WHINEY ASS LITTLE GIRL WHO SHOULD'VE THOUGHT BEFORE YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT.

this wasn't directed at you TLD.

[Okihater]

^ So I guess an Air Force SSgt didn't take dirty pics of a 12 year old girl. That's the reason the USAF has Silver and Blue cards for libo.

I am by no means trying to state that the Marine's are solely responsible for the liberty program i have to deal with...... i do ask you to consider though that in all the incidents listed after your post you will find minimal AF involvement.

I as an AF member have made my fair share of mistakes also..... but i am not in the Marine's, Army, or Navy and feel it to be slightly crazy that I have to deal with these restrictions.


To clarify I don't mean mistakes like Raping a local Japanese girl or killing someone.....

[uriel]

was it last weekend, or the weekend before where the AF had what, 6 DUI's?

[newafguy]

Hey OKIhater,when you get a chance take some leave and visit one of these places!
Iraq



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You are surprised that Iraq is in the number 1 spot? Venture into the Sunni Triangle and it is like taking your life with your own hands. If you really want to visit Iraq you should go to the north of the country, where Kurds are a little less dicey for the adventurous traveler. I doubt if Iraq will ever leave my number one spot.
Afghanistan

This country is one of the top most dangerous countries, following the promise of good times to come. A few years ago two Japanese teachers were killed after venturing into the wild southern regions. Many parts of Afghanistan are falling back under the sway of extremists and it is very likely that you will experience its own fair share of terror attacks.
Somalia

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Remember the movie by Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down? It is a movie that bought the ugly conflict in Somalia for mainstream viewing. It is also good to mention that they have no central government and that has been happening since 1991. Somalia is a nice country but if you are planning to travel there, I suggest that you hire your own heavily armed guards. Daily rates for the guards vary from a couple of hundred bucks or several hundred bucks, depending on whom you hire. Failure to do so, may result in death.
Thailand

When we hear the name Thailand we usually portray a nice exotic country with wonderful beaches, exotic drinks and a good, cheap nightlife. But that is not the case. But don’t take me wrong, it is not dangerous because of mobs and a high criminal rate (yes, you can find some). It is on the list only because of the Tsunami that hit a few years ago. Hundreds of people died and that made future tourists think twice before they plan to visit this exotic place.
Sudan

The ongoing tension with the government and rebels is what makes this country one of the most dangerous. Not to mention the government backed genocide. Murder and rapes are the two most common things that one can face in Sudan especially if you are in the area of Darfur. If you want to travel to the north make sure you get travelling permits, but for the south no. One should also mention that the south has finally come to peace after the tireless efforts of the late John Darang.
Indonesia

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This country is not dangerous per se, but there are so many elements of danger that it made the top 10 list. A few years ago there was the Bali bombing and also the Tsunami hitting. If you are a journalist you have to be very careful, as usually those are the targeted people.
Chechnya

It does not get many tourists but sometimes journalists are forced to go there and it is a one country that journalists fear the most. A few years ago they captured a school and held hostages just to show how far they can go.
The Palestinian Territories

Despite efforts to make their country better, this country has been doing nothing but going from bad to worse and therefore it makes it a bad place to travel to. A few years ago two people who were there to educate children were captured and later released.
Uganda

For a lot of years the Lord Resistance Army have made the region a no-go for travelers. The LRA are known for being the most evil, cold blooded murders on the planet. And it is good to mention that they force children to murder their own family members as part of the indoctrination.
Niger

Niger is the world’s second most poor country. It is a famine stricken country and there are hundreds of people dying everyday due to malnutrition. The horror is not of being murdered or raped, but it is seeing all these children being starved to death, unless food aid arrives soon.

Good suggestion, okinawa seems ok compared to these places but that still does not say much for okinawa. What point are you trying to prove here?

[TheLastDon]

so answer the questions asked instead of beating around the bush and crying like a bitch. where were you stationed that was so great? what lies were you told? you don't answer the questions asked, then bitch about everything here. it isn't that i like it so much here, but i'm not crying to some forum about how you were misled, lied to, abused, whatever. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND I WON'T BE GIVING YOU SHIT! UNTIL THEN, YOU'RE JUST ANOTHER WHINEY ASS LITTLE GIRL WHO SHOULD'VE THOUGHT BEFORE YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT.

this wasn't directed at you TLD.

No worries uriel. I am just wondered what makes this place so bad outside of the military aspect.

[Okihater]

Good suggestion, okinawa seems ok compared to these places but that still does not say much for okinawa. What point are you trying to prove here?

I would have to say thank you.... I by no means can say that i would rather be in any of those places..... but it does excite me that the only alternatives that are worse than here are really bad..... :grin1:

[uriel]

so i ask again, where were you before that was so great as to make this place look like the seventh level of hell? or maybe the sixth...

[newafguy]

so i ask again, where were you before that was so great as to make this place look like the seventh level of hell? or maybe the sixth...

Anywhere in the US I would imagine :thumbup:

[0341isa]

oh blah to this whole thread.

Sorry Uriel, but you take the hit on this one. I mean on one hand, you blast this guy for "negativitity and ignorance" but on the other hand, somebody states the opinion that they don't like the place you go off on him about what a closeminded, loser moron you say he is.

The dude has the right to say he doesn't like a place if he doesn't like it. Its his opinon, and it doesn't make him a "bad person" to have an opinion. Everybody has been somewhere they didn't like.

Me personally, I find this Island to be overall, a good place to be. Still I find it funny how those of us who like the island always have some way of reasoning that when people don't like it here its somehow "their fault" and we start speculation about all that's wrong with them. :rolleyes:

I think I just realized a new term: "Okithumpers", the geographic equivalent to bible thumpers. Different subject, same ass attitude.

[P_chan]

Don't feed the trolls guys:D

I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. I'd gladly trade PCS locations with you! How does Fort Campbell Kentucky sound?

As far as the weather goes, shit hot summers and no winters sounds good to me:thumbup:

[newafguy]

Honestly this island is not for everybody. He has every right to hate this island. He is right about the weather. The weather here sucks 9 months out of the year. It's too damn hot.

But eerything else here us great. I hate the states compared to here. That's why I'm still here. Okinawa FTW.

Just curious why do you hate the states? Everything here seems to be a downgrade to me so far, it's like I went back in time a few decades.

[uriel]

he can have whatever opinion he wants, that isn't really a problem. but when someone asks why, and you answer with "just because", well then what's the point of even posting? that, and "anywhere but here" without saying where he's been, or where he'd rather be, makes it sound like he's just homesick. if he said i don't like it here because x,y,z, and i like it where i was at before because of x,y,z, then i would say hey, to each his own, but as it stands, all we get is a bunch of irrational crap that points to the grass was greener where i was before argument.

[Okihater]

I don't understand how anywhere i have been station before here would have the possibility of changing my opinion of this place. If I were comparing it to my last base i could understand the relevance.......

I have been station at keesler, Altus, Dyess, and live next to Luke and Nellis for about 10 combined. I grew up mostly in AZ in smaller towns of around 100,000 people but have lived in the country and in the city both.

[0341isa]

Second thing, what is it that some people always like to jump out and criticize others for "not getting immersed in the culture"? Why do we think someone HAS to? Sure, its great that some of us come here, eat Japanese, try to learn Japanese, make a shit ton of Japanese friends or whatever, but that's a choice.

If somebody doesn't want to eat the food, speak the language, date the women, see the sites, we assume they are either lazy, American arrogant, or close minded. Did it ever occur to us that maybe just mayyyyybe they simply aren't into Asian shit?

Not saying everybody, but when some people express what amounts simply to their own tastes and preferences, (don't like sushi, aren't attracted to Oki style women, aren't interested in the local sites, don't want to go on MCCS Island tours or decorate their whole house from Phai's house of Jade,) others who do, get all defensive.

[Okihater]

Don't feed the trolls guys:D

I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. I'd gladly trade PCS locations with you! How does Fort Campbell Kentucky sound?

As far as the weather goes, shit hot summers and no winters sounds good to me:thumbup:

So because i have an opinion of a place contrary to popular belief I am trolling?

next time i will fall right in line with the crowd, sorry for voicing an opinion in your forum

[P_chan]

I was told the same lie, I'm an E-5 still living in the airman dorms (10x10 jail cell) I was told I will not be able to live off base and was put on a waiting list for the NCO dorms. This is crazy, I was living off base and had my own apartment back in the states as an E-4 and the 12am curfew is pretty awesome as well. I've been here for about 3 months and so far this place is great.... not:thumbdown:

You're an E5 right? Well guess what, you shouldn't have a curfew! Sure you can't be at the club after midnight but that doesn't mean you have to go home at midnight. Unless, you're weekends consists of only going to gate 2 street:rolleyes:

Hell the new housing policy doesn't even affect you.

[P_chan]

So because i have an opinion of a place contrary to popular belief I am trolling?

next time i will fall right in line with the crowd, sorry for voicing an opinion in your forum

No, this place just has a history of users showing up spouting "I hate okinawa" and then disappearing like a fart in the wind a few weeks later.

You can hate it hear, that's fine by me (makes it easier for me to get back there), but there are worse places and the only truth is your assignment is what YOU make it.

I agree with you about the back asswards bases.

[Okihater]

I by no means can expect everyone to agree with me..... I am used to the military taking care of its troops better than here and the culture isn't my thing......

You may be right I miss home and i can't wait to see my Kid but that doesn't dictate how good this assignment is to me... I don't like the culture that much or the way people do things here..... Like Okitime and such....

[uriel]

okay, so where are those bases? not all of us are air force.

why wouldn't it matter? i asked you a question, you beat around the bush and refused to answer. i just wanted a little background on where you've been that would make you think that everywhere else was better than here. you're a desert guy it seems, which would could have quite a large impact on why you hate being on a tropical island so much. YOU WERE comparing it to your last base. you said that the last place you were at was so much better, blah, blah, blah.

My Last assignemt was actually a great assignment.....

so you weren't comparing?

[0341isa]

he can have whatever opinion he wants, that isn't really a problem. but when someone asks why, and you answer with "just because", well then what's the point of even posting? that, and "anywhere but here" without saying where he's been, or where he'd rather be, makes it sound like he's just homesick. if he said i don't like it here because x,y,z, and i like it where i was at before because of x,y,z, then i would say hey, to each his own, but as it stands, all we get is a bunch of irrational crap that points to the grass was greener where i was before argument.

but is it really that? If he would have stated an opinion that was agreed with, such as "Oh Oki is soo much better than all my other stations" would we immediately jump all on him about "oh yeah? Like where?"

OR, is the goal of demanding where else he was that was so good, just our need to challenge his statement instead of taking it at face value?

When we ask, "Oh yeah, were were you that was so great" were we or were we not immeditately intending to microanalyze and fault find with wherever he mentions, so we can once again prove that, "he's wrong, we're right, Oki is so great..."?

Also, whenever a subject touches us personally, its petty common to try and put a more noble face on our argument like "oh I just hate when people act like this or that" "I hate people that make make sweeping statements or over generalize" when the truth is, on any other topic we might have not even noticed. The simple fact is, somebody made negative comments abot something we are very found of, or personally identify with, and we took it all personal.

This is just me trying to stay objective.

[Okihater]

okay, so where are those bases? not all of us are air force.

why wouldn't it matter? i asked you a question, you beat around the bush and refused to answer. i just wanted a little background on where you've been that would make you think that everywhere else was better than here. you're a desert guy it seems, which would could have quite a large impact on why you hate being on a tropical island so much. YOU WERE comparing it to your last base. you said that the last place you were at was so much better, blah, blah, blah.



so you weren't comparing?

I made no such comparison in the forming of this thread.... i defended my position from a question asked of me..... my point was never about how good my last base was.

I am slightly hesitant about answering anything you ask because you are the negative one in this thread. no matter what i say i am wrong and that makes arguing with you pointless....

[P_chan]

I nominate this thread for "Thread of the Year":first:



http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/photoplog/file.php?n=323&w=o


No good pizza here and real gyros!

Agree 100%! First thing I get when I'm home in Chicago is a pizza and a gyro:D

[uriel]

you hate life, i don't, regardless of where i am, and i'm the negative one? okay. just answer questions asked, and you don't get your balls busted. it's a pretty reasonable thing to ask. or, as stated earlier, you can go back to your dorm room, wait out your remaining six months, and go back to the land of the big px and be far, far happier.

[0341isa]

You're an E5 right? Well guess what, you shouldn't have a curfew! Sure you can't be at the club after midnight but that doesn't mean you have to go home at midnight. Unless, you're weekends consists of only going to gate 2 street:rolleyes:

Hell the new housing policy doesn't even affect you.

I see where you' re going with that, and can agree to a point, then again, (don;t mean to take sides though I know I sound like I am in this thread) after saying all that, it doesnt change instances like a few weeks ago, when a few of use here were all having some JU fun at a local bar and a pair of well respected ad well liked fellow JU members had to cash out early, because the AF doesnt think a grown ass man with 18+ years in is responsible enough to be in a bar after midnight.

[kinsermarine]

I was told the same lie, I'm an E-5 still living in the airman dorms (10x10 jail cell) I was told I will not be able to live off base and was put on a waiting list for the NCO dorms. This is crazy, I was living off base and had my own apartment back in the states as an E-4 and the 12am curfew is pretty awesome as well. I've been here for about 3 months and so far this place is great.... not:thumbdown:

You AF guys have it so easy, your living conditions are 10 times better than ours. You should try stepping in our shoes for a week or so, you would never cry about your living conditions again.

[uriel]

but is it really that? If he would have stated an opinion that was agreed with, such as "Oh Oki is soo much better than all my other stations" would we immediately jump all on him about "oh yeah? Like where?"

OR, is the goal of demanding where else he was that was so good, just our need to challenge his statement instead of taking it at face value?

When we ask, "Oh yeah, were were you that was so great" were we or were we not immeditately intending to microanalyze and fault find with wherever he mentions, so we can once again prove that, "he's wrong, we're right, Oki is so great..."?

Also, whenever a subject touches us personally, its petty common to try and put a more noble face on our argument like "oh I just hate when people act like this or that" "I hate people that make make sweeping statements or over generalize" when the truth is, on any other topic we might have not even noticed. The simple fact is, somebody made negative comments abot something we are very found of, or personally identify with, and we took it all personal.

This is just me trying to stay objective.

if he immediately came across and said everywhere else sucks, i hate everywhere else, the weather sucks, i was lied to because i can't think for myself, etc and whatnot, yeah, i woulda busted his balls. is anyplace other than the desert (jab, jab) really overall so bad that it can take control over your life like that?

[Okihater]

you hate life, i don't, regardless of where i am, and i'm the negative one? okay. just answer questions asked, and you don't get your balls busted. it's a pretty reasonable thing to ask. or, as stated earlier, you can go back to your dorm room, wait out your remaining six months, and go back to the land of the big px and be far, far happier.

You appear to speak without any thought at all..... I don't hate life at all. I hate OKI... that's it. I have a wonderful son and an exwife that i don't entirely hate..... what more can i ask. I am alive and kicking and my family and friends all still have jobs.

But, I would like to be somewhere other than here.

[uriel]

Agree 100%! First thing I get when I'm home in Chicago is a pizza and a gyro:D

never been to chicago. is the pizza actually that good? and is there good gyro places around? we don't have those types of things in saginaw, unfortunately.:crying:

[P_chan]

I wouldn't really call "Okitime" a culture thing. That shit annoys me sometimes too, but it's great other times.

There are things I hate about the island like traffic, anti base types, Kadena (though my shop was awesome), and whiners who complain about being here to everyone to name a few:D:D:D. But at the same time the good outweighs the bad IMO. The ocean is beautiful and I love to dive, snorkel, swim, hike, geochache, and/or BBQ on the beach. The culture is interesting (watch out for kijimuna), the food is awesome, people I've met have been friendly and inviting, the weather can get a tad hot but overall it's beautiful if you're an outdoors person like me. Never was much of a "club" goer and spent most of my time on island with some buddies exploring everywhere from north to south. Then after I got married I didn't stop exploring and started taking the inlaws with me:D.

To each their own I guess, just kinda annoys me once people swear this is a horrible place. Then you get people who are new here thinking it will suck when it's really what you make it.

[uriel]

You appear to speak without any thought at all..... I don't hate life at all. I hate OKI... that's it. I have a wonderful son and an exwife that i don't entirely hate..... what more can i ask. I am alive and kicking and my family and friends all still have jobs.

But, I would like to be somewhere other than here.

so you miss your son who's in the states? you couldn't just come out and say that? you're the one who came in here whining, with NO rational thought, with no real reasons other than the stereotypical "i hate it here, life sucks" crap that i hear every day. would it suck any less if you were in washington and your kid were in virginia? doubtful.

[P_chan]

I see where you' re going with that, and can agree to a point, then again, (don;t mean to take sides though I know I sound like I am in this thread) after saying all that, it doesnt change instances like a few weeks ago, when a few of use here were all having some JU fun at a local bar and a pair of well respected ad well liked fellow JU members had to cash out early, because the AF doesnt think a grown ass man with 18+ years in is responsible enough to be in a bar after midnight.


Very true but there are ways around that:D. It also depends on what type of place you're going to. They would have a hard time proving that a izakaya is a bar. It also depends on where you're at. If you're silver card and you're at a place that isn't gate 2 street you probably won't be busted for curfew (not saying go break curfew).

You AF guys have it so easy, your living conditions are 10 times better than ours. You should try stepping in our shoes for a week or so, you would never cry about your living conditions again.

You're in the air force right?:rolleyes:

[uriel]

and through all this, I STILL have not gotten an answer to my question about what you were LIED to about? have you ever considered that your sponser was a MORON???

[0341isa]

I won't say whether or not he was lied to becuae I do not know exactly to what he is referring, but I will say, for those of us that heard the standard "Oh Oki, the weather is great all year long. It'll be like being in Hawaii, the girls are so beautiful, the local people are so nice and friendly, etc etc" Sure I can see someone getting here, in the humidity, seeing the local girls after thinking they were going to look like the hotties in the tokyo airport, and expecting the locals to be a nice and friendly only to get the cross armed we dont allow US in here salute. I could understand feeling lied to.

Just like people that get told how oki is a crappy rock with nothing on it to do at all, that always on lockdown ot TC1. Som epeople get told that, and come here and find out "what was everybdoy talking about. its nice here" Either group could feel "lied to"

[P_chan]

never been to chicago. is the pizza actually that good? and is there good gyro places around? we don't have those types of things in saginaw, unfortunately.:crying:

Yes it is that good, and I'm not a fan of chicago style pizza (sauce on top) but regular pizza places in chicago are awesome. Gyros too, plenty of mom and pop stores that have been around forever because they're gyros are so good.

[P_chan]

I won't say whether or not he was lied to becuae I do not know exactly to what he is referring, but I will say, for those of us that heard the standard "Oh Oki, the weather is great all year long. It'll be like being in Hawaii, the girls are so beautiful, the local people are so nice and friendly, etc etc" Sure I can see someone getting here, in the humidity, seeing the local girls after thinking they were going to look like the hotties in the tokyo airport, and expecting the locals to be a nice and friendly only to get the cross armed we dont allow US in here salute. I could understand feeling lied to.

Just like people that get told how oki is a crappy rock with nothing on it to do at all, that always on lockdown ot TC1. Som epeople get told that, and come here and find out "what was everybdoy talking about. its nice here" Either group could feel "lied to"

There are plenty of hotties in Oki, just go to Jusco on a friday evening:D

[0341isa]

There are plenty of hotties in Oki, just go to Jusco on a friday evening:D

but from what I was told aren't they mostly tourists from mainland???

As for Chicago pizza, sounds like a winner. I dont know about tha sauce on top thing, but I was raised on a real pan crust pizza. That "New York" pizza can suck it!:D

[Okihater]

I have been around a few forums but never before seen this negativity anywhere except Rotten Tomatoes OT forums.....

I am simply stating that i make up my own mind. Yes i did have expectation before i showed up but honestly didn't you? regardless of what i expected i am only able to obtain information about a place I am headed in a few seperate ways......

Internet
Airman and family readiness center
Friends with similar intrests
Sponsor's
Books

I went to all of these to determine what it would be like before i came, but a book can't tell my if i am going to like it or answer some of the retarted question i have. Friends i would expect to tell the truth and a sponsor i believe has a duty to give me accurate information not a line of BS because he hates it here. But i am sure you will find away to twist my words around and make it my fault that i don't like it here.

[P_chan]

but from what I was told aren't they mostly tourists from mainland???

As for Chicago pizza, sounds like a winner. I dont know about tha sauce on top thing, but I was raised on a real pan crust pizza. That "New York" pizza can suck it!:D

Not all of them are naicha;D

[newafguy]

You're an E5 right? Well guess what, you shouldn't have a curfew! Sure you can't be at the club after midnight but that doesn't mean you have to go home at midnight. Unless, you're weekends consists of only going to gate 2 street:rolleyes:

Hell the new housing policy doesn't even affect you.

I am an E-5 and I'm single and in my mid 20's. I should not have to leave a club or bar at 12am that's when the fun is just starting... well not here. I mean Korea has a less strict curfew than this place. Trust me on the housing issue I've tried everything to get off base and it's not happening the best thing they can do is put you on a waiting list for off base and I'm way far down the list I would have to do a 10 year tour here to make it to the top. I'll just be relieved when I can actually live like an NCO and move into the NCO dorms even though I will always be curious of what it is like living off base with the japanese community. I was just wanting to take full advantage of this place but that's not going to happen, when your living conditions suck no beach can make up for that.

[P_chan]

Dude you're talking about air force sponsors right? Yeah, don't rely on your sponser to do anything for you. They tried to crack down on crappy sponsors in my squadron but it didn't do any good. I had a horrible sponser so as soon as I became buddies with someone cool in my shop I hung around him and he kinda became my sponser.

[P_chan]

I am an E-5 and I'm single and in my mid 20's. I should not have to leave a club or bar at 12am that's when the fun is just starting... well not here. I mean Korea has a less strict curfew than this place. Trust me on the housing issue I've tried everything to get off base and it's not happening the best thing they can do is put you on a waiting list for off base and I'm way far down the list I would have to do a 10 year tour here to make it to the top. I'll just be relieved when I can actually live like an NCO and move into the NCO dorms even though I will always be curious of what it is like living off base with the japanese community. I was just wanting to take full advantage of this place but that's not going to happen, when your living conditions suck no beach can make up for that.

Ah I see, so you're not even in the NCO dorms? That would have been a nice bit of information to know. I'd be bitching too if I was in the airmen's dorms.

Well guess what, now families wont' be moving off base so you should start to move up the list fairly quickly. Be proactive and bug them everyday to make sure they don't forget about you. Also, you're in the military so be expected to be treated like a child. If people didn't act like children we wouldn't have a curfew now would we?

Also, you've only been here three months.

Maybe you should take up your living conditions with your command? Don't blame the whole island for your shitty living conditions because they have nothing to do with each other, especially when you've only been here 3 months.. That is strictly a KAB issue.

[Okihater]

I am an E-5 and I'm single and in my mid 20's. I should not have to leave a club or bar at 12am that's when the fun is just starting... well not here. I mean Korea has a less strict curfew than this place. Trust me on the housing issue I've tried everything to get off base and it's not happening the best thing they can do is put you on a waiting list for off base and I'm way far down the list I would have to do a 10 year tour here to make it to the top. I'll just be relieved when I can actually live like an NCO and move into the NCO dorms even though I will always be curious of what it is like living off base with the japanese community. I was just wanting to take full advantage of this place but that's not going to happen, when your living conditions suck no beach can make up for that.

I have to agree with you here..... There are many aspects to this island that can be good. But i expect a better quality of life and a better working enviorment. Instead I am expected to do a job without enough manning to get it done. We have a facility that is far behind times and insufficient to do the job required but are still expected to preform at the top of our game.... just to name a few

[uriel]

I have been around a few forums but never before seen this negativity anywhere except Rotten Tomatoes OT forums.....

I am simply stating that i make up my own mind. Yes i did have expectation before i showed up but honestly didn't you? regardless of what i expected i am only able to obtain information about a place I am headed in a few seperate ways......

Internet
Airman and family readiness center
Friends with similar intrests
Sponsor's
Books

I went to all of these to determine what it would be like before i came, but a book can't tell my if i am going to like it or answer some of the retarted question i have. Friends i would expect to tell the truth and a sponsor i believe has a duty to give me accurate information not a line of BS because he hates it here. But i am sure you will find away to twist my words around and make it my fault that i don't like it here.

obviously you are quite a bit more dependant on others than i am. i went to mainland in 2000, before i really knew about anything other than hotmail on the internet, and decided before i even got there that i would completely ignore what everyone else said and i would do everything i could to have fun and enjoy life. apparently you are far more dependent on what others tell you you should feel. why would you need anything to tell you how you will (as in telling the future) feel?

[Okihater]

just because i list a few complaints about work and base doesn't mean that is the sole reason i am unhappy here though

[uriel]

I have to agree with you here..... There are many aspects to this island that can be good. But i expect a better quality of life and a better working enviorment. Instead I am expected to do a job without enough manning to get it done. We have a facility that is far behind times and insufficient to do the job required but are still expected to preform at the top of our game.... just to name a few

wow. spoiled much?:-| is it really any worse than, say, Marine's barracks? how about the MWLK barracks?

[OtisPMerriweather]

Well again, Okinawa has only recently as far as I know, gotten a rep for being a place you WANT to transfer to. Before I came I heard about:

Okinawa field day- take ALL of your shit out of your room, including furniture, clean the empty room, get it inspected, then move everything back in.

Lonely SNCO's on unaccompanied tours who had nothing betterr to do so they roamed the barracks/PX/food court making "corrections." (this is still true! :D)

Bowlegged girls with bad teeth and flat chests wearing mismatched clothes.

Anti-base protests every other week and crooked police that didn't like Americans.

Buy-me-drinky girls who would take all your money and get you arrested if you didn't pay.

So, like I said before, not all of that stuff was as bad as it was made out to be, but there is a grain of truth in all of it. Same can be said about the "great" parts of Okinawa as well.

[Okihater]

obviously you are quite a bit more dependant on others than i am. i went to mainland in 2000, before i really knew about anything other than hotmail on the internet, and decided before i even got there that i would completely ignore what everyone else said and i would do everything i could to have fun and enjoy life. apparently you are far more dependent on what others tell you you should feel. why would you need anything to tell you how you will (as in telling the future) feel?

GOOD JOB.... you managed to take what i said and prove that I am a complete idiot.......

but i hardly feel that because i exhausted all my resources to find out information on how my next assignment is going to be would make me wrong.... I do research before i buy a car too..... should i stop that?

[Okihater]

wow. spoiled much?:-| is it really any worse than, say, Marine's barracks? how about the MWLK barracks?

Your point is MOOT.... i agreed already that I am glad i don't have to deal with the stress a marine does...... BUT, I am not a marine..... So I am confused as to why that would be an equal comparison

[newafguy]

Ah I see, so you're not even in the NCO dorms? That would have been a nice bit of information to know. I'd be bitching too if I was in the airmen's dorms.

Well guess what, now families wont' be moving off base so you should start to move up the list fairly quickly. Be proactive and bug them everyday to make sure they don't forget about you. Also, you're in the military so be expected to be treated like a child. If people didn't act like children we wouldn't have a curfew now would we?

Also, you've only been here three months.

Maybe you should take up your living conditions with your command? Don't blame the whole island for your shitty living conditions because they have nothing to do with each other, especially when you've only been here 3 months.. That is strictly a KAB issue.

Good point P_Chan it is not Okinawa's fault and it is a KAB issue but if your AF and a single E-5 or below you can't live on Okinawa without living on Kadena AB. So if this is how Kadena is ran why would I or anyone in my shoes ever want to be stationed here and be forced to put up with this? The best thing I can do is try and spread the word to every single E-5 and below that I know to avoid this assignment at all costs unless you want to experience a downgrade in everything.

[Okihater]

Good point P_Chan it is not Okinawa's fault and it is a KAB issue but if your AF and a single E-5 or below you can't live on Okinawa without living on Kadena AB. So if this is how Kadena is ran why would I or anyone in my shoes ever want to be stationed here and be forced to put up with this? The best thing I can do is try and spread the word to every single E-5 and below that I know to avoid this assignment at all costs unless you want to experience a downgrade in everything.

Again good point..... i find many aspects about this place to be a problem but in general why would i want to be stationed somewhere that the working environment sucks so bad.... i spend most of my time at work.

[Okihater]

Good point P_Chan it is not Okinawa's fault and it is a KAB issue but if your AF and a single E-5 or below you can't live on Okinawa without living on Kadena AB. So if this is how Kadena is ran why would I or anyone in my shoes ever want to be stationed here and be forced to put up with this? The best thing I can do is try and spread the word to every single E-5 and below that I know to avoid this assignment at all costs unless you want to experience a downgrade in everything.

I wish i could help change your opinion of this place.... I am not trying to make your next few years here suck. I do suggest you get out and find a girlfriend.... taunt curfew a little and live.... but if your chain of command is like mine.... GOOD LUCK

[OtisPMerriweather]

Well, look on the bright side...your first thread got 1200 views in 24 hours. At least you found something here you're good at! :D

Welcome to JU!!

[Okihater]

I feel there might be a little truth to some accusations made against me..... I must say that the Scuba diving was fun, Aquarium was cool... i really enjoyed Hiji and Hedo. I liked the Surrounding islands but it wasn't enought to change the base, and community. The if you get in an accident you are at fault partially because you are american, and the language barrier that i wasn't quite prepared for. That might be ignorant but i kinda assumed it would be easier to communicate with the locals.

[Okihater]

Well, look on the bright side...your first thread got 1200 views in 24 hours. At least you found something here you're good at! :D

Welcome to JU!!

Thanks, I have been reading for a while and finally decide to jump in head first. In all i find this to be a pretty good place.

[badkitty]

I am an E-5 and I'm single and in my mid 20's. I should not have to leave a club or bar at 12am that's when the fun is just starting... well not here. I mean Korea has a less strict curfew than this place. Trust me on the housing issue I've tried everything to get off base and it's not happening the best thing they can do is put you on a waiting list for off base and I'm way far down the list I would have to do a 10 year tour here to make it to the top. I'll just be relieved when I can actually live like an NCO and move into the NCO dorms even though I will always be curious of what it is like living off base with the japanese community. I was just wanting to take full advantage of this place but that's not going to happen, when your living conditions suck no beach can make up for that.

Ummm I don't know where in Korea you were at but we all had a curfew to be back on base or in a hotel within a certain time frame... Sure you can party at the Mustang all damn night but don't get caught off base after curfew... Midnight, i think.... Korea has far more restrictions than Oki.... At least you can drive here.. Also, unless you are on an accompanied tour, you can't live off base in Korea either.... The NCO dorms on Kadena aren't bad at all, you don't have roommate and you don't share a bathroom... What's the problem??

[P_chan]

Good point P_Chan it is not Okinawa's fault and it is a KAB issue but if your AF and a single E-5 or below you can't live on Okinawa without living on Kadena AB. So if this is how Kadena is ran why would I or anyone in my shoes ever want to be stationed here and be forced to put up with this? The best thing I can do is try and spread the word to every single E-5 and below that I know to avoid this assignment at all costs unless you want to experience a downgrade in everything.

Because your tour is what you make it! I was single living in the dorms at one time as a lower rank then you with a blue card. Yet I still found plenty of time to get out and do things besides drink myself into a stupor on gate 2 street. That's the thing, don't blame the whole island for the faults of KAB. You can have a shitty work center but still turn your tour into a good one. Maybe if people would take less time complaining about their dorm room, shop, KAB, or not being able to stay out past midnight on gate 2 street you'd have time to do other things?

Also, you CAN live off base and I have no idea why they won't let you. I have a feeling that you're not being proactive with you're move and are expecting someone to do it for you maybe? Also, give it time you've only been here three months. Maybe after six months if they don't allow you to move off post you can start to make a stink. But regardless, you'll still have a curfew.

Also, the WORST thing you can do is "spread the word" that Okinawa is a shitty tour. Everyone is different and if you don't plan on doing anything but hitting up gate 2 street then Okinawa will be a shitty tour. However, don't go spoiling it for the younger troops by sending them over here with a bad outlook on their upcoming tour. Your tour is what you make it and just because you make your tour a shitty one doesn't mean someone else will do the same thing. Honestly, you're a shitty NCO if you tell your troops otherwise when they PCS to a place you've already been.

[Okihater]

Ummm I don't know where in Korea you were at but we all had a curfew to be back on base or in a hotel within a certain time frame... Sure you can party at the Mustang all damn night but don't get caught off base after curfew... Midnight, i think.... Korea has far more restrictions than Oki.... At least you can drive here.. Also, unless you are on an accompanied tour, you can't live off base in Korea either.... The NCO dorms on Kadena aren't bad at all, you don't have roommate and you don't share a bathroom... What's the problem??

actually that isn't entirely true anymore.... SSgt's can live off base in Osan i think it is. I might have slightly overplayed the Korea card but it is still a viable point.... and i know when i lived in the airman dorms i shared a bathroom.

[Mehi River]

woah, this has been a long read.

It sounds to me like the military part of it seems to be the source of much of your unhappiness. Stuff like partial "responsibility" in car accidents is unfortunately the law over here, so there is not much that can be done there.

Being away from your kid, well, I don't know how the system works, but that is Uncle Sam's doing, no?

A more religious person might say you are being tested, and that you should keep searching - that you may be but a day away from finding something that makes it a cool place to be.

I dunno. But, on the off-chance that that religious person happened to be blessed with some kind of clairvoyance, I hope you keep searching.

After all, we are all in the same boat when it comes to wanting happiness.

Good luck.

[Okihater]

Because your tour is what you make it! I was single living in the dorms at one time as a lower rank then you with a blue card. Yet I still found plenty of time to get out and do things besides drink myself into a stupor on gate 2 street. That's the thing, don't blame the whole island for the faults of KAB. You can have a shitty work center but still turn your tour into a good one. Maybe if people would take less time complaining about their dorm room, shop, KAB, or not being able to stay out past midnight on gate 2 street you'd have time to do other things?

Also, you CAN live off base and I have no idea why they won't let you. I have a feeling that you're not being proactive with you're move and are expecting someone to do it for you maybe? Also, give it time you've only been here three months. Maybe after six months if they don't allow you to move off post you can start to make a stink. But regardless, you'll still have a curfew.

Also, the WORST thing you can do is "spread the word" that Okinawa is a shitty tour. Everyone is different and if you don't plan on doing anything but hitting up gate 2 street then Okinawa will be a shitty tour. However, don't go spoiling it for the younger troops by sending them over here with a bad outlook on their upcoming tour. Your tour is what you make it and just because you make your tour a shitty one doesn't mean someone else will do the same thing. Honestly, you're a shitty NCO if you tell your troops otherwise when they PCS to a place you've already been.

Well newafguy......... considering we might have a slightly similar situation i refuse to believe you are a bad NCO..... but with that said just pass the information truthfully..... don't be hateful and ruin someone's hopes but don't lie to them either....... i say give it a while but if it didn't work for me. I am in no place to judge you as an NCO and I would be offended to be judged as such because i don't agree with everyone

[Okihater]

woah, this has been a long read.

It sounds to me like the military part of it seems to be the source of much of your unhappiness. Stuff like partial "responsibility" in car accidents is unfortunately the law over here, so there is not much that can be done there.

Being away from your kid, well, I don't know how the system works, but that is Uncle Sam's doing, no?

A more religious person might say you are being tested, and that you should keep searching - that you may be but a day away from finding something that makes it a cool place to be.

I dunno. But, on the off-chance that that religious person happened to be blessed with some kind of clairvoyance, I hope you keep searching.

After all, we are all in the same boat when it comes to wanting happiness.

Good luck.

Just because it is the law doesn't mean it is ok.... was slavery ok? with that said i agree... it is the lows in life that make the highs even greater. I am not a realigous person but it doesn't change anything you said.... things will be better....

Yes i miss my son but I am fine with that.... I am here, and it is where i need to be, my son hasn't changed my opinion of this place.

[newafguy]

Ummm I don't know where in Korea you were at but we all had a curfew to be back on base or in a hotel within a certain time frame... Sure you can party at the Mustang all damn night but don't get caught off base after curfew... Midnight, i think.... Korea has far more restrictions than Oki.... At least you can drive here.. Also, unless you are on an accompanied tour, you can't live off base in Korea either.... The NCO dorms on Kadena aren't bad at all, you don't have roommate and you don't share a bathroom... What's the problem??

I agree with your post but these dorms that I'm staying in now should be condemned. E-1's should not have to live in this dump and I know there are a lot of miserable airman living in these dorms. Why would a first term airman ever want to go through this? It would also be nice to be able to date a local japanese girl and not have to sponsor her on everyday or put up with room inspections. The assignments out of here for our career field are not that great either, atleast if I did a 1 year tour in Korea I could get a top choice of where I want to go. Overall this assignment should be ok but so far these first 3 months have been miserable and will continue to be as long as I'm stuck in this box.

[Okihater]

I must say i am slightly confused still about the people that disagree with me..... I have had a few intelligent answers and a few good reasons but why is this a good assignment or place to be?

In my opinion the military makes so many rules limiting the potential this assignment has before you even get off base it is set up for failure..... what has made this assignment good for you?

[beagle]

Civilians have it hard, too...

[badkitty]

I must say i am slightly confused still about the people that disagree with me..... I have had a few intelligent answers and a few good reasons but why is this a good assignment or place to be?

In my opinion the military makes so many rules limiting the potential this assignment has before you even get off base it is set up for failure..... what has made this assignment good for you?

The people that I hung out with and the activities that I participated in made Oki a great assignment. While worked sucked BALLS, I still have enough time off to really enjoy my family and friends. Even though my tour was cut waaaay too short, I can honestly say that Okinawa was a wonderful tour. So that's why this a great assignment for me.

[Mehi River]

Just because it is the law doesn't mean it is ok.... was slavery ok? with that said i agree... it is the lows in life that make the highs even greater. I am not a realigous person but it doesn't change anything you said.... things will be better....

Yes i miss my son but I am fine with that.... I am here, and it is where i need to be, my son hasn't changed my opinion of this place.

Of course something being legal doesn't mean it is ok.
But then again, something being ok or not is entirely subjective. We have this thread as excellent proof of that.

Slavery was an interesting choice of example. It was legal in America. Many people thought it was ok.

Took a war to fix that little doosie.

I hope you are not suggesting that the US military go to war against people just because of a subjective opinion of what is, or is not 'ok'...:scratchchin:

I think you are right about the highs and lows.
People only understand how high any decent hight is when they realise how far they would have to fall to get back to ground level.

[badkitty]

I agree with your post but these dorms that I'm staying in now should be condemned. E-1's should not have to live in this dump and I know there are a lot of miserable airman living in these dorms. Why would a first term airman ever want to go through this? It would also be nice to be able to date a local japanese girl and not have to sponsor her on everyday or put up with room inspections. The assignments out of here for our career field are not that great either, atleast if I did a 1 year tour in Korea I could get a top choice of where I want to go. Overall this assignment should be ok but so far these first 3 months have been miserable and will continue to be as long as I'm stuck in this box.

True some of the dorm are horrible but it's not an easy process to build new ones. I have worked with PLENTY of First Term Airmen that LOVED it here. Not just the women but the diving, travel, etc. I was fortunate to have the opportunity to live off base but my job had me involved with Housing and ALL the facilities on KAB. Considering that after your time is up your DEROS allows you to be racked and stack on the Oversea Returnee listing. So the chances of you getting a base with your AFSC without manning overages is quite possible but the one thing people forget is the Air Force needs come before your own.

[Okihater]

The people that I hung out with and the activities that I participated in made Oki a great assignment. While worked sucked BALLS, I still have enough time off to really enjoy my family and friends. Even though my tour was cut waaaay too short, I can honestly say that Okinawa was a wonderful tour. So that's why this a great assignment for me.

Well maybe i am just unlucky...... the camaraderie i was expecting when i got here i never found. I don't relate well to many members i work with and they takes a big chunk of possible enjoyment out of my assignment.... but with that said i have made a few lifelong friends here as well..... but for me it wasn't enough....

[badkitty]

Well maybe i am just unlucky...... the camaraderie i was expecting when i got here i never found. I don't relate well to many members i work with and they takes a big chunk of possible enjoyment out of my assignment.... but with that said i have made a few lifelong friends here as well..... but for me it wasn't enough....

I am the farthest thing from a social butterfly and don't get me wrong, I HATED my job and the tards i worked with. I hung out with myself for a while until I came across a few people that I clicked with. I was in the same spot you were, I was blah when i first got here but there are PLENTY of things to do on Island, you just have to find what works for you.

[Okihater]

Of course something being legal doesn't mean it is ok.
But then again, something being ok or not is entirely subjective. We have this thread as excellent proof of that.

Slavery was an interesting choice of example. It was legal in America. Many people thought it was ok.

Took a war to fix that little doosie.

I hope you are not suggesting that the US military go to war against people just because of a subjective opinion of what is, or is not 'ok'...:scratchchin:

I think you are right about the highs and lows.
People only understand how high any decent hight is when they realise how far they would have to fall to get back to ground level.

I personally found it to be the perfect extreme situation to add a different side to the argument.... mostly because it shows we make mistakes to..... the moral being that we do our best to fix them and progress.... I can't speak about slavery because i wasn't around but I can say that if i find something to be incorrect and not fair to everyone.... I will go out of my way (even if it gets me into trouble initially) to fix the problem.... I just wish others would have the backbone to do that as well..... that would surely make this assignment better

[newafguy]

Because your tour is what you make it! I was single living in the dorms at one time as a lower rank then you with a blue card. Yet I still found plenty of time to get out and do things besides drink myself into a stupor on gate 2 street. That's the thing, don't blame the whole island for the faults of KAB. You can have a shitty work center but still turn your tour into a good one. Maybe if people would take less time complaining about their dorm room, shop, KAB, or not being able to stay out past midnight on gate 2 street you'd have time to do other things?

Also, you CAN live off base and I have no idea why they won't let you. I have a feeling that you're not being proactive with you're move and are expecting someone to do it for you maybe? Also, give it time you've only been here three months. Maybe after six months if they don't allow you to move off post you can start to make a stink. But regardless, you'll still have a curfew.

Also, the WORST thing you can do is "spread the word" that Okinawa is a shitty tour. Everyone is different and if you don't plan on doing anything but hitting up gate 2 street then Okinawa will be a shitty tour. However, don't go spoiling it for the younger troops by sending them over here with a bad outlook on their upcoming tour. Your tour is what you make it and just because you make your tour a shitty one doesn't mean someone else will do the same thing. Honestly, you're a shitty NCO if you tell your troops otherwise when they PCS to a place you've already been.

I can understand make the best of a bad situation. So far living conditions suck, the shop sucks and is a downgrade for me and all my coworkers we have this discussion every other day. The nightlife here sucks due to the curfew. It gets annoying walking to the car and already sweating because it's so damn hot out. The island seems a bit overcrowded especially with all the military stationed here. The majority of my shop is married making me one of the only single guys in the shop, I'm thinking this assignment is more for married people. Snorkling and hanging out at any close beach does not make up for these major flaws that are dealt with on a daily basis. I know there has to be a lot more that have these same problems and more. I'm curious to know what could make this place better if your in a situation like mine? Oh and you can drop Gate 2 street I have no desire to hang out there seems like a sausage fest to me and is another flaw about the island. Trust me if you are a single E-5 or below you have to play the waiting list game to move off base and as of right now even if your at the top of the list your not moving as long as there is availible space on base. I'm constantly over there hassling them and checking.

[P_chan]

Well newafguy......... considering we might have a slightly similar situation i refuse to believe you are a bad NCO..... but with that said just pass the information truthfully..... don't be hateful and ruin someone's hopes but don't lie to them either....... i say give it a while but if it didn't work for me. I am in no place to judge you as an NCO and I would be offended to be judged as such because i don't agree with everyone

Well it's just my personal opinion that if, as an NCO, you tell your troops that the place they're PCSing to is "horrible". You can give them your opinion on the matter but you never set someone up for a let down like that. Because bottom line is it's still up to the individual to make their duty location a good one.

[DJ Tak]

I find it interesting that this guy is expressing the same ideas that SpaceGhost (PJ) has and is getting it from all sides while SG doesn't get blasted nearly as hard.

Anyways, after being a member of JU for a couple days now, it appears to me that those who staunchly defend Okinawa are the ones that usually

- are married to a local
- are here in a civilian capacity (contractor, expat)
- are wives that don't really have to put up with military BS

To the OP, don't sweat anything that uriel or PChan say. If you aren't running around Okinawa wearing zoris and a white towel on your head, they will say that you aren't doing all you can to enjoy yourself here.

I know people that hate it here but loved 29 Palms. They just happened to be from LA or liked going to Vegas every weekend. I know people that hated Camp Pendelton but loved Camp Lejeune and vice versa. To compare Okinawa to any place where you would receive hazardous duty pay is asinine. I would hope Okinawa is better than Iraq. Shit, Compton is better than Iraq (I have been in both), doesn't mean I want to live in Compton though.

My best advice to you, so your last 6 months here aren't wasted, is to sign up for college if you aren't already enrolled. At least you can knock out some classes while you are here instead of sitting around the base bored out of your mind.

[P_chan]

Once again, DJ Tak has no idea what he's talking about:rolleyes:

I enjoyed Okinawa immensely even before I met my wife and got married. I was single living in the dorms at one time too but that didn't stop me from getting out and doing things. It really all comes down to what a person likes to do. If they're the club type who only wants to go to the bar/club every night (nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me) then Okinawa will suck for you. But if you broaden your horizons and try to do new things you normally wouldn't do then it might make it a better tour, or it might not, depends on the person.

So once again, throw out all the BS "trying to be local" stereotypes you want because they aren't going to stick. Some people really enjoy the culture, some don't, nothing wrong with taking in local traditions or not. Oh and since when is wearing sandals considered a strictly Okinawan thing?:rolleyes:

[DJ Tak]

Once again, DJ Tak has no idea what he's talking about:rolleyes:

I enjoyed Okinawa immensely even before I met my wife and got married. I was single living in the dorms at one time too but that didn't stop me from getting out and doing things. It really all comes down to what a person likes to do. If they're the club type who only wants to go to the bar/club every night (nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me) then Okinawa will suck for you. But if you broaden your horizons and try to do new things you normally wouldn't do then it might make it a better tour, or it might not, depends on the person.

So once again, throw out all the BS "trying to be local" stereotypes you want because they aren't going to stick. Some people really enjoy the culture, some don't, nothing wrong with taking in local traditions or not. Oh and since when is wearing sandals considered a strictly Okinawan thing?:rolleyes:

Take it for what it's worth dude, but that's the way you come off.

[P_chan]

Kinda like the way the people who constantly complain about the island come off as narrow minded? But that doesn't make it true now does it?

[Bones]

I'll finish reading the rest of the whole thread in a minute, but I have one question. Explain the following:

"...the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year."

Forget about the "Bass ackwards", and concentrate on how you perceive the military "not caring for it's troops". What branch of service are you in? etc....

I've lived here on-off for about 18 years, and I've got to tell you that base amenities have improved about 3000 percent over what they were back in '75. On the downside, the island is also a lot less green than it used to be.

You said that you've taken tours, are dive certified, and you still hate this place? Man, I know people back in the states that have never been out of their state, and would kill for what you have done over here.

Well, to each his/her own. I fell in love with Okinawa back in '75, dreamed about being able to retire over here, and that's what I've done. Left here 5 years ago, moved back to the states, hated every friggin minute of it, and we lived in Florida.:old:

This place is Heaven for me, compared to your Hell.

B

[DJ Tak]

Kinda like the way the people who constantly complain about the island come off as narrow minded? But that doesn't make it true now does it?

I didn't have the opportunity to meet you before you left the island. Unlike the ones that complain about the island (most don't stick around JU long enough for us to see a trend), I have seen your posts over the years. Unless you are horrible at conveying your thoughts into written words, I can only believe what you write and they way you write it makes you similiar to Muku in regards to his Okinawan Defense League type posts.

[Sex Wax]

I didn't have the opportunity to meet you before you left the island. Unlike the ones that complain about the island (most don't stick around JU long enough for us to see a trend), I have seen your posts over the years. Unless you are horrible at conveying your thoughts into written words, I can only believe what you write and they way you write it makes you similiar to Muku in regards to his Okinawan Defense League type posts.

Okinawa sux, DJ Tak sux (He's White! white people DJing is like a whigger on a treadmill, going nowhere, and looking goofy doing it!) Taco Rice sux. dk really works for the Pacific Stars & Stripes. C6 is not really black, he's light brown. DocP is for real a fatty. Socalheart is a closet Vietcong, and I'm really T.P.

[Bones]

I didn't have the opportunity to meet you before you left the island. Unlike the ones that complain about the island (most don't stick around JU long enough for us to see a trend), I have seen your posts over the years. Unless you are horrible at conveying your thoughts into written words, I can only believe what you write and they way you write it makes you similiar to Muku in regards to his Okinawan Defense League type posts.

I haven't met P_Chan either, lucky for him.:D

But I do love Okinawa. Muku isn't really as bad as people make him out to be. He is not as fortunate to have a SOFA status job, nor does he have base access. At least he didn't when we met during a previous JU Meet. I can't fault him for his reasons for loving this place.

I've found that for most part people who hate one place or another, have no life. They stay in their rooms, never leave the base, or have an American spouse who feels threatened by the women who's countries they happen to be stationed in. Or, they miss home really bad due to family separation.

Either way, I love this place.:D:old:

[Bones]

And then, there is Sex Wax.:army::-|

[Sex Wax]

And then, there is Sex Wax.:army::-|

Sex Wax = Force Majeure.

Definition for the stupid folks: http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/forcegen.shtml

[Biru San]

:old:No seriously..... ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

I am having a hard time thinking of another place that I could be that would be worse than being stationed here for 3 years.

This is not a rash, spur of the moment opinion, but instead the opinion of an individual that has been stationed on this rock for 2 1/2 years. I couldn't think of a better place to be stationed prior to my arrival here. When I showed up though I discovered that i had been lied to about every aspect of this place.

The Japanese don't want us here..... the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING OR HOW YOU COULD EVER LIKE THIS

:old:


I would say, you appear to be missing two things... a. The ability to enjoy what lies before you... And, b. An appointment with the Chaplain... Tanoshinde kite kudasaii... Biru San

[badkitty]

I find it interesting that this guy is expressing the same ideas that SpaceGhost (PJ) has and is getting it from all sides while SG doesn't get blasted nearly as hard.

Anyways, after being a member of JU for a couple days now, it appears to me that those who staunchly defend Okinawa are the ones that usually

- are married to a local
- are here in a civilian capacity (contractor, expat)
- are wives that don't really have to put up with military BS



I don't fall in any of those categories so your theory is poo. :) Trust me, SG/PJ got alot of criticism for some of his Oki remarks.... Too bad chat doesn't go back that far....

[Sex Wax]

Trust me, SG/PJ got alot of criticism for some of his Oki remarks....

Yeah, he keeps going on about CoCo's Curry, when everyone with taste buds on their tongues knows it tastes like re-fried baby turds. But other than his lack of taste, he's a cool dude.

[badkitty]

Yeah, he keeps going on about CoCo's Curry, when everyone with taste buds on their tongues knows it tastes like re-fried baby turds. But other than his lack of taste, he's a cool dude.

CoCo's tastes like crap and looks like poo..... :barf::barf:

[P_chan]

I didn't have the opportunity to meet you before you left the island. Unlike the ones that complain about the island (most don't stick around JU long enough for us to see a trend), I have seen your posts over the years. Unless you are horrible at conveying your thoughts into written words, I can only believe what you write and they way you write it makes you similiar to Muku in regards to his Okinawan Defense League type posts.

Wow, way to be original:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

All you're doing is preaching almost the exact same thing I am, just from a different end of the spectrum. Funny how people are quick to label me as one of muku's minions, what about people who think this island is "crap" without having anything to base that claim off of (or the ones who really have an issue with the base, not the island itself)? Maybe we can lump them all together too?:rolleyes:

:edit: Spaceghost/PJ got a lot of flak when he first showed up IIRC. But after actaully talking to him it's obvious that he just shares different opinions and interests then someone like me (just like Okihater). He's also not going to label me a minion or part of the "okinawa defense league" just because I have a different opinion then his. Which is why now he won't get much flak from me about subjects like this. However, if someone joins, says this place sucks, and then says they've only been her for three months and that most of their gripes are with the base, then they'll get flak from me.

[Okihater]

:old:

:old:


I would say, you appear to be missing two things... a. The ability to enjoy what lies before you... And, b. An appointment with the Chaplain... Tanoshinde kite kudasaii... Biru San

I would say your an idiot....... I took advantage of almost all opportunities and and wasn't pleased..... I didn't say Scuba was horrible and i listed a few good things.
For the 2nd time I am not religious and an I can't understand how an appointment with a Chaplain would make me happy here. but thanks for your interesting views......

[Richard Burns]

I still don't understand why people don't have the right to hate being stationed here. I love the island itself but being in the military here especially as a non NCO sucks balls unless you're good at breaking cerfew without being caught.

This island is not for everybody.

The whole "you're tour is what you make it" is really bullshit. You van stay positive and try to make the best of it but if you've exausted everything possible and the island still sucks there's nothing more you can do.

The military here is back asswards. I'd guess I have no numbers but the military on Okinawa is a big reason people punch out after 4 years.

The island is great to some and blows to others.

But being here in the military as a peon sucks. The people that say "but there more to do than stay out past midnight". Crap if you're like me that enjoys nightlife. The island is too hot for me during the day, I like bars, I like to sit down order a nice drink and relax away from work and everything else.

As far as hating this place I take okihater and newafguy's sides.

Bt now moving on the sbstandard living conditions on Kadena. Bullshit. I know you joined the AF and all but seriously go to a Marine base and you will see what crappy living conditions are.

[Okihater]

I'll finish reading the rest of the whole thread in a minute, but I have one question. Explain the following:

"...the military appears to be operating Bass ackwards without any care for their troops. Then the weather blows about 9 months out of the year."

Forget about the "Bass ackwards", and concentrate on how you perceive the military "not caring for it's troops". What branch of service are you in? etc....

I've lived here on-off for about 18 years, and I've got to tell you that base amenities have improved about 3000 percent over what they were back in '75. On the downside, the island is also a lot less green than it used to be.

You said that you've taken tours, are dive certified, and you still hate this place? Man, I know people back in the states that have never been out of their state, and would kill for what you have done over here.

Well, to each his/her own. I fell in love with Okinawa back in '75, dreamed about being able to retire over here, and that's what I've done. Left here 5 years ago, moved back to the states, hated every friggin minute of it, and we lived in Florida.:old:

This place is Heaven for me, compared to your Hell.

B

In my opinion I have found the AF to be a different beast here than I have come to know it as in my days in. I come from a critically manned career field, and what I would like to consider pretty important career field. Yet my leadership is constantly releasing manning to security forces to work as gate guards even though we have an AFI stating that its not acceptable to do so. I have additional duties that in all other squadrons they have personal assigned to as a full time job, worse off is we have personal assigned but they do half the work as others with the same responsibility and i am expected to work 2 full time positions with real world requirements and deadlines making day to day life slightly over tasked. I can name more but I am not trying to start a thread about that topic.

How is the weather nice? its hot as hell outside then humid also. making outside activities less enjoyable to me. the tropical storms blow but it is something i expect to deal with. once it stops being hot it will start raining again but not real rain.... just that real annoying drizzle piss stuff. aside from that there is about 3 real nice month to accomplish my outdoor activities and those months aren't even together.

To me it is a lose lose situation.

[Jazz]

I still don't understand why people don't have the right to hate being stationed here. .

Cause It's Okinawa man! The land of the free and the home of the brave! If you don't like it here, you're not American!

That or you just don't have an appetite for the Dharma Initiative and in that case we don't need you here anyways!

[badkitty]

In my opinion I have found the AF to be a different beast here than I have come to know it as in my days in. I come from a critically manned career field, and what I would like to consider pretty important career field. Yet my leadership is constantly releasing manning to security forces to work as gate guards even though we have an AFI stating that its not acceptable to do so. I have additional duties that in all other squadrons they have personal assigned to as a full time job, worse off is we have personal assigned but they do half the work as others with the same responsibility and i am expected to work 2 full time positions with real world requirements and deadlines making day to day life slightly over tasked. I can name more but I am not trying to start a thread about that topic.

How is the weather nice? its hot as hell outside then humid also. making outside activities less enjoyable to me. the tropical storms blow but it is something i expect to deal with. once it stops being hot it will start raining again but not real rain.... just that real annoying drizzle piss stuff. aside from that there is about 3 real nice month to accomplish my outdoor activities and those months aren't even together.

To me it is a lose lose situation.



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you're a cop...... yea, I am SO VERY VERY SORRY!

[Jazz]

How is the weather nice? its hot as hell outside then humid also. making outside activities less enjoyable to me. the tropical storms blow but it is something i expect to deal with. once it stops being hot it will start raining again but not real rain.... just that real annoying drizzle piss stuff. aside from that there is about 3 real nice month to accomplish my outdoor activities and those months aren't even together.

To me it is a lose lose situation.

No offense but if you were here in '00 - '02, you'd be a lot more pissed about this place. The weather for one was 10 times worse (better actually in my and some's opinions). Throw together the traffic and political garbage that went along with 9/11 and the G8 Summit............there was plenty of valid reasons to complain back then. But you didn't have a forum like this to vent either.

[Okihater]

I still don't understand why people don't have the right to hate being stationed here. I love the island itself but being in the military here especially as a non NCO sucks balls unless you're good at breaking cerfew without being caught.

This island is not for everybody.

The whole "you're tour is what you make it" is really bullshit. You van stay positive and try to make the best of it but if you've exausted everything possible and the island still sucks there's nothing more you can do.

The military here is back asswards. I'd guess I have no numbers but the military on Okinawa is a big reason people punch out after 4 years.

The island is great to some and blows to others.

But being here in the military as a peon sucks. The people that say "but there more to do than stay out past midnight". Crap if you're like me that enjoys nightlife. The island is too hot for me during the day, I like bars, I like to sit down order a nice drink and relax away from work and everything else.

As far as hating this place I take okihater and newafguy's sides.

Bt now moving on the sbstandard living conditions on Kadena. Bullshit. I know you joined the AF and all but seriously go to a Marine base and you will see what crappy living conditions are.


It appears to me that you are probably an E-4 in the marines.... with that being said i find it pretty hard to relate to some of your experiences. I agree i didn't have what it takes to be a marine and that includes the living conditions. You will never hear an argument from me saying that it is ok the way a marine is treated..... especially not here.

I really miss bars also, walking in and saying hello to the regulars and sitting down but the bartender has already poured your drink and you haven't even said hello to her yet. I realize that is comparing the island to other places i have been but i haven't found that establishment here and even if i did i wouldn't like paying $7 a beer to chill there.

I don't have a choice i will keep on pushing and see what happens.... this last 6 months will not change my experience here but i won't sit around and complain about every minute of it.

[Okihater]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you're a cop...... yea, I am SO VERY VERY SORRY!

NO..... I am not a Cop. I am nothing close to a Cop.

[Richard Burns]

As far as the weather goes, shit hot summers and no winters sounds good to me:thumbup:

I had to groan you for this. The weather is too damn hot!

[Richard Burns]

It appears to me that you are probably an E-4 in the marines.... with that being said i find it pretty hard to relate to some of your experiences. I agree i didn't have what it takes to be a marine and that includes the living conditions. You will never hear an argument from me saying that it is ok the way a marine is treated..... especially not here.

I really miss bars also, walking in and saying hello to the regulars and sitting down but the bartender has already poured your drink and you haven't even said hello to her yet. I realize that is comparing the island to other places i have been but i haven't found that establishment here and even if i did i wouldn't like paying $7 a beer to chill there.

I don't have a choice i will keep on pushing and see what happens.... this last 6 months will not change my experience here but i won't sit around and complain about every minute of it.

I'm a civilian now but I left the service as a Cpl E4.

[Okihater]

No offense but if you were here in '00 - '02, you'd be a lot more pissed about this place. The weather for one was 10 times worse (better actually in my and some's opinions). Throw together the traffic and political garbage that went along with 9/11 and the G8 Summit............there was plenty of valid reasons to complain back then. But you didn't have a forum like this to vent either.

I can understand your point. I also see that this place is constantly evolving but i don't see it taking any turns for the better. I don't feel we are taking care of our younger troops, especially the ones that don't like it here. I feel the system is set up as a complete ass kiss gets to the top. in this type of environment the individuals that show their abilities by working hard suffer compared to people that fill you full of bullshit....

but this is becoming too much about the military. I feel we put limits on our troops and their actions making it difficult to see the forest through the trees out here.

[Okihater]

I'm a civilian now but I left the service as a Cpl E4.

What is it that has kept you here then? I am just not understanding why someone would stay..... furthermore staying with so much still left ahead.

[P_chan]

I had to groan you for this. The weather is too damn hot!

Sorry, no winters for this guy. I like snow, but not freezing cold.

Also, no one said that a person cannot hate their tour on Okinawa. However, step back and think what your gripe is really about. Is it about your job or the island itself? I understand that somethings work for some people and don't work for others and honestly if you're a club type of person you will probably be miserable on Okinawa. However, maybe a person could start new hobbies and see what the island has to offer? I would see it way too often when I was stationed at KAB. People with shitty jobs, shitty bosses, crappy living conditions, only been here a short amount of time, and yet they condemn the entire island and tell people to stay away. Just because it was bad for person X doesn't mean it will be bad for the next guy.

And yes the ultimate truth in this matter is your tour IS what you make it. If you've got shitty working conditions then make it a point to enjoy every minute of your off duty time to counteract that.

Bt now moving on the sbstandard living conditions on Kadena. Bullshit. I know you joined the AF and all but seriously go to a Marine base and you will see what crappy living conditions are.

Also, you shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about, you do it way too often.

[Richard Burns]

I will say the island is great if you're a civilan or and NCO and above. I love it here and that's why I stayed. But it's not for everyone.

[This is an official RB message.]

[Richard Burns]

What is it that has kept you here then? I am just not understanding why someone would stay..... furthermore staying with so much still left ahead.

The second I got off the plane I fell in love with this place.

I ended up marrying a local and have 2 little ones. I have no family in the states really, from a bad neigborhood and have nothing in the states for me to go back to. I love this island and the in laws treat me like a son so I get to be in a place I enjoy fo life, Okinawa is a perfect place to raise kids, there's a lot more than this I love about here but here's the summary.

[Okihater]

Sorry, no winters for this guy. I like snow, but not freezing cold.

Also, no one said that a person cannot hate their tour on Okinawa. However, step back and think what your gripe is really about. Is it about your job or the island itself? I understand that somethings work for some people and don't work for others and honestly if you're a club type of person you will probably be miserable on Okinawa. However, maybe a person could start new hobbies and see what the island has to offer? I would see it way too often when I was stationed at KAB. People with shitty jobs, shitty bosses, crappy living conditions, only been here a short amount of time, and yet they condemn the entire island and tell people to stay away. Just because it was bad for person X doesn't mean it will be bad for the next guy.

And yes the ultimate truth in this matter is your tour IS what you make it. If you've got shitty working conditions then make it a point to enjoy every minute of your off duty time to counteract that.



Also, you shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about, you do it way too often.

Your tour is what you make it is BS...... I didn't make this tour suck. The cards just fell that way.... I did everything in my power to due what one would do if they found themselves in a crappy tour. It didn't work. I had fun doing it and i don't regret anything but I did not make this tour suck.

[Okihater]

The second I got off the plane I fell in love with this place.

I ended up marrying a local and have 2 little ones. I have no family in the states really, from a bad neigborhood and have nothing in the states for me to go back to. I love this island and the in laws treat me like a son so I get to be in a place I enjoy fo life, Okinawa is a perfect place to raise kids, there's a lot more than this I love about here but here's the summary.

I can see why this is a good place to be for you then..... This is a great place for families and the military aspect makes sure they take care of familis as well. they don't watch out for me and off base is less of my scene then i would like it to be. I can't stay around base though.... I know that base is not my scene either.

[P_chan]

With you I think it's just a conflict of interests and shitty working conditions. Some people just aren't as bothered by things like that as you seem to be. But yes a person can make the best of their time so a tour is what you make it. You tried, and it just didn't work out for you.

However, some people sit like bumps on a log in their dorms all day and only venture off post to go to gate 2 street or hit up the airmen's club. Then they'll swear up and down how much the island sucks and that there isn't anything to do:rolleyes:.

[kombu_kid]

I'll throw out the standard line I always heard........

"It's what you make it......" BWAAAAA..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:smile4:

But seriously, the humidity can get a little annoying after a while.......and of course, the list of things to do is a bit more limited than the states, but damn, I think you could do a lot worse. At least you're always near a beautiful beach, and if you ain't gettin' laid, somethin's wrong.

I am further complexed as to why you would assume i don't have a car or license. I have traveled the island, I am scuba certified, i have surfed, been rock climbing, road biking, camping, and drinking. I went to all the tours i could and have done what i could to make this assignment enjoyable. I have found these activities to be less exciting than other assignments i have done them at and have noticed this island slowly sucking the life out of me.

C'mon now.....you don't wanna start sounding like a kid who's played with all his toys and "now I'm bored..." Geez man, be thankful for whatcha got.....

[Richard Burns]

The military has nothing to do with me. I'm not SOFA.

Being single here was the best in it's own way too. Women everywhere for RB to get.

But not anymore.

[Richard Burns]

some people sit like bumps on a log:.


Thanks a thousand. This shit is funny!

[Okihater]

I am seeing a lot of standard answers..... here is another few reasons i find it hard to fit in.

I like American girls..... at that I am not so picky as to sspeak of some ridiclous standards, I like them all. But the Island queen mentality has completely destroyed that factor for me.... i dated a few military chicas and they all think they are 10's when they are 5's and 6's but god forbid you don't wait on them hand and foot, because someone else always will.

I don't feel appreciated by the local community.... yea japanese don't hate us but i here nothing but gripes and complaints. They take advantage of us on a regular with their laws (like the accident thing) and being overcharged just because we are American. Please don't even try to argue that one.

The weather ain't my bag of tea... and i miss my sunday drives, I know i can still do that here but i don't want to sit in the car for 2 hours to travel 40 miles on shitty roads with horrible drivers to a place up north or down south that really isn't different than where i am at anyways.

I don't really like the music scene out here as well..... I haven't found a bar with good music and live bands that i truly enjoy.... I am not saying that i haven't like some of them but i can only handle so many Japanese cover bands.

Just to name a few

[Okihater]

I'll throw out the standard line I always heard........

"It's what you make it......" BWAAAAA..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:smile4:

But seriously, the humidity can get a little annoying after a while.......and of course, the list of things to do is a bit more limited than the states, but damn, I think you could do a lot worse. At least you're always near a beautiful beach, and if you ain't gettin' laid, somethin's wrong.



C'mon now.....you don't wanna start sounding like a kid who's played with all his toys and "now I'm bored..." Geez man, be thankful for whatcha got.....

Why don't i want to sound like a kid that has played with all my toys.... I think that is specifically what gives my argument any meaning at all. I am also just stating i have found most of the activities but be better in different places rather than here.... I did not say that i don't enjoy the activities.

[P_chan]

I am seeing a lot of standard answers..... here is another few reasons i find it hard to fit in.

I like American girls..... at that I am not so picky as to sspeak of some ridiclous standards, I like them all. But the Island queen mentality has completely destroyed that factor for me.... i dated a few military chicas and they all think they are 10's when they are 5's and 6's but god forbid you don't wait on them hand and foot, because someone else always will.

I don't feel appreciated by the local community.... yea japanese don't hate us but i here nothing but gripes and complaints. They take advantage of us on a regular with their laws (like the accident thing) and being overcharged just because we are American. Please don't even try to argue that one.

The weather ain't my bag of tea... and i miss my sunday drives, I know i can still do that here but i don't want to sit in the car for 2 hours to travel 40 miles on shitty roads with horrible drivers to a place up north or down south that really isn't different than where i am at anyways.

I don't really like the music scene out here as well..... I haven't found a bar with good music and live bands that i truly enjoy.... I am not saying that i haven't like some of them but i can only handle so many Japanese cover bands.

Just to name a few

That's not an American thing, they hate all gaijin:D

As far as sunday drives go, I feel ya there. That was one of my favorite things to do but it was hard on island. I noticed that the best time was at night and only if I headed north.

[Okihater]

I think Pchan is right..... You have a large amount of pull on the outcome of an assignment but to say i am solely responsible for having a good time is slightly ridiculous. I can count to many outside factors that i don't have the ability to control that make my tour here less than desirable.

No I am not tired of getting Laid.... Is that even possible? I can't even imagine the kind of gay you would have to be to be tired of getting laid.:smile4:

[Okihater]

That's not an American thing, they hate all gaijin:D

As far as sunday drives go, I feel ya there. That was one of my favorite things to do but it was hard on island. I noticed that the best time was at night and only if I headed north.

Where did you go?

A night drive is about perfect though..... i should probably start doing that.... less cars and good weather. but it limits activities that i primarily like to do during daylight hours. :crying:

[Carl]

I don't feel appreciated by the local community.... yea japanese don't hate us but i here nothing but gripes and complaints. They take advantage of us on a regular with their laws (like the accident thing) and being overcharged just because we are American. Please don't even try to argue that one.


You don't feel appreciated? WTF dude? Are you the kind of guy that goes around town in your charlies expecting addaboys and dicounted/free meals? Yes, the Japanese have gripes and complaints and I think they are well founded. Put yourself in their shoes. If China opened up a gigantic base in your backyard and their soldiers were causing problems in town, would you not be a little pissed? You're also not being overcharged because your American (I'm assuming you're talking about housing). The military is paying you to pay that much.


The weather ain't my bag of tea... and i miss my sunday drives, I know i can still do that here but i don't want to sit in the car for 2 hours to travel 40 miles on shitty roads with horrible drivers to a place up north or down south that really isn't different than where i am at anyways.


What's the furthest north you've ever been? Torii Station? Northern Okinawa is totally different. There's no comparison and the fact that you don't think it's any different shows how little you've actually explored this island.

I don't really like the music scene out here as well..... I haven't found a bar with good music and live bands that i truly enjoy.... I am not saying that i haven't like some of them but i can only handle so many Japanese cover bands.


You really haven't been out much have you? Afraid to listen to some music that isn't generic shit from popular labels? Anyway, I've seen many more American cover bands than I have Japanese, then again, I'm not too big on the bar music scene.

[P_chan]

Where did you go?

A night drive is about perfect though..... i should probably start doing that.... less cars and good weather. but it limits activities that i primarily like to do during daylight hours. :crying:

I would just start driving north and head off the side roads. Around zanpa was nice if I didn't want to go too far from home. If I had the time and felt like it (or if I was in the area) I would drive up some of the mountian roads up north at night, but that can be dangerous.

Good thing is that it's easy not to get lost. If you do, if you keep driving in one direction you'll probably end up at an ocean eventually:D

[Okihater]

You don't feel appreciated? WTF dude? Are you the kind of guy that goes around town in your charlies expecting addaboys and dicounted/free meals? Yes, the Japanese have gripes and complaints and I think they are well founded. Put yourself in their shoes. If China opened up a gigantic base in your backyard and their soldiers were causing problems in town, would you not be a little pissed? You're also not being overcharged because your American (I'm assuming you're talking about housing). The military is paying you to pay that much.



What's the furthest north you've ever been? Torii Station? Northern Okinawa is totally different. There's no comparison and the fact that you don't think it's any different shows how little you've actually explored this island.



You really haven't been out much have you? Afraid to listen to some music that isn't generic shit from popular labels? Anyway, I've seen many more American cover bands than I have Japanese, then again, I'm not too big on the bar music scene.

Great another hater tearing apart posts and identifying them for something different than what they are.......

Have you read any of this forum or did you come in here ready to tear some shit up?

Question 1....... I think i have sufficiently answered this one....

2. Destroying someones opinions on music is easy to do. and what if I only like that pupular trendy crap.... it is what i like and i am not finding it here is what i am stating. I also have no desire to watch a crappy American cover band. instead of being a tool how about a damm option. you haven't suggested anything but merely stated i was wrong.... appears to me that would make you wrong.

[Okihater]

I would just start driving north and head off the side roads. Around zanpa was nice if I didn't want to go too far from home. If I had the time and felt like it (or if I was in the area) I would drive up some of the mountian roads up north at night, but that can be dangerous.

Good thing is that it's easy not to get lost. If you do, if you keep driving in one direction you'll probably end up at an ocean eventually:D

Thank you and good suggestion..... Just a drive to be a drive can be nice. I would like to take a few pictures any suggestion of a good spot for night photo's?

On that note i am going to go log some miles on the bike.... feel free to wave I don't hate you, only OKI.

[P_chan]

Thank you and good suggestion..... Just a drive to be a drive can be nice. I would like to take a few pictures any suggestion of a good spot for night photo's?

On that note i am going to go log some miles on the bike.... feel free to wave I don't hate you, only OKI.

There are some places near zanpa point where you can get some good night shots it. I don't have a steady enough hand for night shots so I usually didn't take my camera with when I went driving. But you can get some nice sunset shots all up and down the Onna area.

LOL you made one of the most active threads in a while:D

[Carl]

Have you read any of this forum or did you come in here ready to tear some shit up?


Is that not what you came here to do? New account, bitching and moaning about Okinawa because the military and your own narrowmindedness make it suck. Many people on this forum love this place and consider it home, myself included. I know this place isn't perfect (far from it), but it's far from a shit hole.

[Okihater]

Is that not what you came here to do? New account, bitching and moaning about Okinawa because the military and your own narrowmindedness make it suck. Many people on this forum love this place and consider it home, myself included. I know this place isn't perfect (far from it), but it's far from a shit hole.

Good point....I might have come in here raising hell but I made no ridiculous accusation in my opinion. I feel you are picking up things that aren't being said. Hope that isn't my fault.

Still....... What good has it done you to come in here and crush someone without rhyme or reason. you haven't suggested anything but merely disagreed with me.

[Carl]

Good point....I might have come in here raising hell but I made no ridiculous accusation in my opinion. I feel you are picking up things that aren't being said. Hope that isn't my fault.

Still....... What good has it done you to come in here and crush someone without rhyme or reason. you haven't suggested anything but merely disagreed with me.

If you wanted suggestions, you should have asked in the first post. You already have your opinion set in stone about Okinawa though, so it won't matter what I suggest. You'll find a way to hate it. The only thing I can suggest is going back to the US as soon as possible.

[nopar]

"come in here and crush someone"

wow thin skin in a public forum.....take artic's advice think about what you you hope to gain from a post... if you post your opinon expect to get hammered and ridiculed from half the folks, good input from a quarter of the folks and then depending on the alchol content and mood of the other quarter (dk, docp, etc) anything from eat frogs to an invite out to grab some beers and boob flu.

[0341isa]

hey man, its just an opinon. Its the internet, people use it to bitch. Just because some of us like okinawa doesnt mean we need to bash this guy for not liking it.

Lets take this situation:

AB likes Okinawa, someone else states that they don;t like it. Is it acceptable and neccessary for AB to bash that opinion, chastise him for making the statement, or decide it neccessary to rpove him wrong?

Now on principle, lets switch a few nouns in this sentence.

RM likes Christianity, someone else states that they don;t like it.

Whats the difference???

[uriel]

To the OP, don't sweat anything that uriel or PChan say. If you aren't running around Okinawa wearing zoris and a white towel on your head, they will say that you aren't doing all you can to enjoy yourself here.

huh? bro, with one quick tug and a little pop you could remove your head from your ass if you really wanted to. i don't wear zoris (what the hell are zoris?), I wear tevas, tommy bahama and maui jim, but what do clothes really matter? you don't have to try to assimilate to the borg collective to not act like you've been served this great injustice in life and hate your life because of it. my main point is it doesn't really matter where he is, he will do the same thing there so long as there is ANYTHING that isn't absolutely right in his pampered little existence.

[0341isa]

"come in here and crush someone"

wow thin skin in a public forum.....take artic's advice think about what you you hope to gain from a post... if you post your opinon expect to get hammered and ridiculed from half the folks, good input from a quarter of the folks and then depending on the alchol content and mood of the other quarter (dk, docp, etc) anything from eat frogs to an invite out to grab some beers and boob flu.

I would have thanked this, but I dont see a thank button.

Oh, as for the "beautiful Oki beaches"... umm I kind of have to disagree here too. Not to Oki bash, again I like this place, the "beauty" of the beaches is subjective.

I think people from non beach areas have a tendency to go anywhere where there is a beach and assume its beautiful. Often not the case. Beach does not always equal "gorgeous beaches" especially if you are judging from travel brochure pics at sunset :rolleyes:

Now as for Oki beaches, the water could be a lot clearer and the sand doesn't seem that soft. Not complaining here, beaches aren't even all that important to me, just figured I'd mention it, since the GF and I have discussed this a few times ourselves.

My last post before this was Cali so that may have set a higher bar for me, and as for her, she grew up in the Carribean so it takes a but more to impress her I guess..

[uriel]

not to mention having to pay to use the beach frikken sucks.

[nopar]

ok.....03 i'll jump on this grenade.....

the opinon part doesn't really matter it is the context

on principal ab would have the choice to leave oki but obviuos he doesn't. he may have had the choice to come here or not, but can not change the choice if he is active duty. so the negtive opinon will not change. instead he should focus on asking "what am i missing here", what are the limitations of being here? what i miss the most from....(where he came from). base the statement on ....I have been here for....years

on principal rm can go to the church of his choice and choose to worship in his own faith and accepts that not everyone has the same faith. rm made his decision and bases his opinon on his experiences and after understanding there are several other religions and churches.

the improvment comes from the offerings of the forum in how to state the opinon or ask for advice. it is far from bashing so far. you cannot have all green m and m's in a bag. so sort the chaff and pick the ones you like.

don't read into a post or reply.........and accept them all as binary dots quickly dismissed in a click.

[Okihater]

I would Like to throw a huge shout out to the Navy now...... I unfortunately had a blow out which left me stranded and about a 4 mile walk in head of me. unable to repair my tire due to the blow out being a failure on sidewall of my tire i started my walk.... Only to be dumped on by this annoying weather i have complained about. But I was given a ride from another rider that happened to see me walking when countless other people had past..... For this i am thankful.

I came in here with a made up mind set, i also didn't ask for suggestions but i find it to be pointless to attack someone and not have any reason behind it.... back up your case and tell me why..... Give me an out or try to establish that i am really a douche here to Troll...... But just being a dick because you disagree is one of the many theme's I am finding to be such a problem here military wise.

[Okihater]

I would have thanked this, but I dont see a thank button.

Oh, as for the "beautiful Oki beaches"... umm I kind of have to disagree here too. Not to Oki bash, again I like this place, the "beauty" of the beaches is subjective.

I think people from non beach areas have a tendency to go anywhere where there is a beach and assume its beautiful. Often not the case. Beach does not always equal "gorgeous beaches" especially if you are judging from travel brochure pics at sunset :rolleyes:

Now as for Oki beaches, the water could be a lot clearer and the sand doesn't seem that soft. Not complaining here, beaches aren't even all that important to me, just figured I'd mention it, since the GF and I have discussed this a few times ourselves.

My last post before this was Cali so that may have set a higher bar for me, and as for her, she grew up in the Carribean so it takes a but more to impress her I guess..

I am not really impressed with any of the beaches i have found here.... I would say the sand is not as nice as other places i have been.... I don't pay to go to the beach so a few are checked off there.... Then when you get in the water it isn't that great.... lots of jellyfish and poor visibility in lots of places. plus due to the large amounts of people going to the same spots the reef is not that great and i find it to be slightly ugly.

[DoctorP]

I am not really impressed with any of the beaches i have found here.... I would say the sand is not as nice as other places i have been.... I don't pay to go to the beach so a few are checked off there.... Then when you get in the water it isn't that great.... lots of jellyfish and poor visibility in lots of places. plus due to the large amounts of people going to the same spots the reef is not that great and i find it to be slightly ugly.

I've always preferred the beaches in mainland Japan myself. Not sure why so many people say that Okinawa beaches are better. IMO much better wave action in mainland and the beaches are nicer, although Okinawa has the reefs and the pretty colors.:rolleyes:

[thistle]

I've always preferred the beaches in mainland Japan myself. Not sure why so many people say that Okinawa beaches are better. IMO much better wave action in mainland and the beaches are nicer, although Okinawa has the reefs and the pretty colors.:rolleyes:

Well, i dont get into the water here much anymore cos of the jellyfish and it is boring swimming inside one of those nets.

But to say that the beaches on the mainland are better, is a little strange i thought. Better wave action yes. But all those that I have been to are grey sand and the water was dirty and horrible. Even Kamakura was kind of murky and grey.

[Okihater]

To have so many people disagree with me but still have problems with the same things I don't like, confuses me more than i can explain

[P_chan]

Water is better in Oki then it is in Chicago:D

[proudtobnotpc]

To have so many people disagree with me but still have problems with the same things I don't like, confuses me more than i can explain

fear not man and welcome to my world, just drink heavily:first:

[Richard Burns]

Water is better in Oki then it is in Chicago:D

But Chicago has better food, music, places to go but wouldn't wanna live there since it is a dangerous place just as any other city.

[DougP]

TLD is right. Thread of the year:)

http://www.thewambulance.com/images/wambulance_logo.jpg

[0341isa]

speaking of jellyfish, but still off topic, anybody been to Australia? I always see these shows that make the water by Austrailia look like this incredibly beautiful place (as I've heard a lot too) however; most of those shows are on the discovery channel and they are almost always about how Au has like 6,000 different animals/bugs/plants that can kill you. :rolleyes:

[P_chan]

But Chicago has better food, music, places to go but wouldn't wanna live there since it is a dangerous place just as any other city.

Yeah but the city looses it's luster after a while. The traffic makes the traffic in Okinawa look like a walk in the park, the people are assholes, it's dirty and polluted.

[Zim the Invader]

I didn't mind the island. I did on occasion feel that, as an American, I was looked at as though I was less than a person because I wasn't Japanese. But my biggest problem with Okinawa was the military there. I think the military on the island has a different mentality than other places. Don't know why, but it seems the corps looks for ways to make things suck. Like they actively looked for ways to **** over their people. That was my big complaint, the corps.

It may also depend on your personal mentality. If you are a schedule minded on the go sort of person, the laid back attitude of the island will always get to you because it feels slower. Based on your "sucks the life out of you" comment, I think this is the most likely case. It is forcing you to slow down and that is so against your nature you feel like you are being killed slowly.

[Richard Burns]

Yes Zim you hit it on the nail the Corps makes this island suck. But the AF is catching up.

[Okihater]

Questions.....

What exactly does soaking up the culture consist of? Window shopping? Eating japanese food? Pachinko? BBQ at the beach with 30,000 other people up in your grill? Soapy's? Love motels? ...... a solid answer here would be nice.

Since when do people get criticized by Americans for loving America? Am i wrong to be happy and proud of the life availble in the states?

Feel free to call me spoiled (you already have), But, why am i wrong to expect a decent quality of life? Isn't that the American dream?

[DoctorP]

Questions.....

What exactly does soaking up the culture consist of? Window shopping? Eating japanese food? Pachinko? BBQ at the beach with 30,000 other people up in your grill? Soapy's? Love motels? ...... a solid answer here would be nice.

Since when do people get criticized by Americans for loving America? Am i wrong to be happy and proud of the life availble in the states?

Feel free to call me spoiled (you already have), But, why am i wrong to expect a decent quality of life? Isn't that the American dream?

How many accounts are you using here?:rolleyes:

[Okihater]

How many accounts are you using here?:rolleyes:

Only 1 Why?

[mawfia]

This may be news for some but even single company grade officers are having their off base housing applications denied. This is a recent change that started around April I think. I was fortunate to get off base a year ago and avoid the issue entirely. In the governments defense we overpay for the places we live in off base. Uncle Sam is paying atleast 1700 dollars a month for my single bedroom apartment. I would never pay 1700 dollars out of my own pocket for this place but I also dont want to live in the Futenma BOQ either.

This is my first 2 year assignment. I will more than likely extend one year...not because I want to stay here longer but so my PCS date alligns with the date I plan to start graduate school.

I would for myself and to all the other single Marines say that the best way to enjoy the island is to have a girlfriend. Local or otherwise. It is better than any drug or amount of drinks you could possibly consume in one day (I am not condoning drugs but im not blind to the island activities either).

For me personally it just doesnt make any sense for me to date or marry someone that would have a difficult time in the US. What do Okinawan spouses do when the couple moves back to the states? Is she going to be able to find a job? Is it possible for her to go to college? I think most girls I have met or dated here have very little concern for higher education or attaining a well paying job...which is probably more a factor of what is available on Okinawa (If you have never been exposed to it why would you want it!). Then there is the issue of dealing with her parents...im not even going to go into that now. She will eventually get homesick and officers dont have the luxary of extending over and over again! Many girls I have met dont have a car, drivers license, or even care to drive (age range 19-30)...that would work if I wanted to live in NY i suppose.

Unfortunately for me Im not the kind of person that would date a girl knowing full well im going to break up with her when i leave. But for the gents that are okay living in okinawa forever and having a stay at home wife...cheers:grin1:

[DoctorP]

Only 1 Why?

cause others are showing from last night.

[Richard Burns]

Good! Company Grade officers should live in the BOQ. They're just entering the fleet. They're a PFC that gets paid a lot.

*unless that officer is a mustang, Or CWOs which deserve the extra perks in that case I'd say they should get their request approved.

IMHO.

[Richard Burns]

Am i wrong to be happy and proud of the life availble in the states?


You must be from a nice place in the states.

[newafguy]

Soaking up culture varies from individual to individual but involves such things as learning the local language,going to local events and interacting with locals and sometimes even becoming so close to a local they invite you over for lunch or dinner and introduce you to more of their friends which would possible make their perception of "Americans" more positive if not already....possibility.
Beach BBQ's can be quite enjoyable unless you limit your self to the beaches most of the military community and locals flock to..i prefer the beaches where mostly women from mainland congregate....don't mind having them up in my grill:w00t:
As far as loving america nothing is wrong with that but to some if may come off as slight arrogance you know those people who feel that since they are american they should feel like they are in america no matter where they go in the world.
Many people who are american simply have a hard time embracing any other culture not saying that is your case ...just that if you were able to embrace another culture a bit more you might actually have different feelings about it.

I've heard about these great beaches where all the women flock too but where are they? I would like to see for myself

[Okihater]

well finally and intelligent and thoughtful response..... I do understand some aspects of soaking up the culture..... at the same time i don't think my main goal here is to learn Japanese or Meet as many Asians on a personal level as possible. with that said i have done some of that and it wasn't my scene. I learned some language and had some drinks. a date here and there and some casual social events. I am American.... and I don't think that i am wrong for expecting some of the things i have come to know and love in america being praticed here. I know Racism is everywhere..... But in america do we treat Japanese people the way we are treated here?

[Richard Burns]

^ Everywhere. Seriously. Around here u got Tropical beach, Araha beach.

My favorite bech so far is cape zanpa I think it's called. Past Tori somewhere I forgot where.

Okuma which there's a Okinawan side and a Base side never been to either but heard good things.

I know there's nice beaches in nago but never been but heard good things.

[mawfia]

Speaking of soaking up culture...we, the U.S. military have been on this island for over 50 years yet im suprised how little many Okinawas now about America or our military. By no means am I expecting people to bow down in my prescence because im in the U.S. military but I see this push for Americans here to absorb, assimilate, and accept Okinawan culture yet im not seeing any effort on the Okinawans part.
I know english classes are compulsory but after reading several business signs in broken english i think its just a class everyone blows off.

Is there an American version of Naomi Sensei on their radios while they drive?

[Richard Burns]

That information is HIGHLY CLASSIFIED and i don't think you have the proper Clearance to obtain that information....but if you look hard enough you maybe stumble upon one of these beaches...and if you do you will know instantly:D


RB thinks this post sounds like A Pimp Named Guyjin wants to keep the whereabouts of the bunnies in bikinis to himself.........

[Okihater]

That information is HIGHLY CLASSIFIED and i don't think you have the proper Clearance to obtain that information....but if you look hard enough you maybe stumble upon one of these beaches...and if you do you will know instantly:D

So what your saying is, and correct me if i am wrong..... "I know you hate it here and I possibly have an answer for you that could change your opinion a little, but I am going to protect my secret and refuse to tell you"

Did I get that right?

Thanks again for ensuring this is a good assignment for all........

[Richard Burns]

... But in america do we treat Japanese people the way we are treated here?


Totally different. Most people in America of Japanese ethnicity are actually American whereas most foreigners here are not Japanese.

Americans come in all different colors but there are few Japanese citizens of other races.

[Okihater]

Totally different. Most people in America of Japanese ethnicity are actually American whereas most foreigners here are not Japanese.

Americans come in all different colors but there are few Japanese citizens of other races.

So.... a japanese tourist is driving down the road in america and gets in a car accident but it wasn't their fault....... you fill in the rest......

I am not talking about Americans.... there are Japanese people in America that are not American

[Richard Burns]

Speaking of soaking up culture...we, the U.S. military have been on this island for over 50 years yet im suprised how little many Okinawas now about America or our military. By no means am I expecting people to bow down in my prescence because im in the U.S. military but I see this push for Americans here to absorb, assimilate, and accept Okinawan culture yet im not seeing any effort on the Okinawans part.
I know english classes are compulsory but after reading several business signs in broken english i think its just a class everyone blows off.

Is there an American version of Naomi Sensei on their radios while they drive?


You don't know what you're talking about. English in public school reall became serious about 10 years ago and the kinks are still being worked out. In fact Japan is behind other Asian countries in English speaking.

Who cares if they bow English off. If they're not working on base they don't really need it.

It's the same thing as America. You have to take a foreign language to graduate but the normal thing done is just to do the work and pass but few people actually retain the knowledge of that language.

[mawfia]

Totally different. Most people in America of Japanese ethnicity are actually American whereas most foreigners here are not Japanese.

Americans come in all different colors but there are few Japanese citizens of other races.

Especially if you consider whom the Japanese government is willing to recognize as a Japanese citizen! Unfortunately sometimes its not good enough to be born in Japan, and speak the language.

Hey Burns no need to get so aggressive, you telling me youve never come across any signs that were in broken english?

[Richard Burns]

So.... a japanese tourist is driving down the road in america and gets in a car accident but it wasn't their fault....... you fill in the rest......

I am not talking about Americans.... there are Japanese people in America that are not American


Actually if a Y plate is in an accident it's investigated and they are not automatically at fault. That's an urban legend.

[Richard Burns]

Especially if you consider whom the Japanese government is willing to recognize as a Japanese citizen!

Anyone who is a Japanese passport holder. I personally know 6 or so foriegn born Japanese citizens just off the top of my head.

Also there's an American born white sumo wrestler tha Japanese now.

There's also 2 black comedians on TV who are Japanese now have been as of 2 years ago IIRC.

[newafguy]

^ Everywhere. Seriously. Around here u got Tropical beach, Araha beach.

My favorite bech so far is cape zanpa I think it's called. Past Tori somewhere I forgot where.

Okuma which there's a Okinawan side and a Base side never been to either but heard good things.

I know there's nice beaches in nago but never been but heard good things.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm usually by myself but I've went out to American village's beach a few times to lay out and swim around but that gets old after a while and I can't imagine doing that for the next 2 years and there were a few women but it was nothing crazy or nothing to get too excited about. Are these other beaches better compared to where I've been going? I think dating a local japanese girl could open a lot of new doors and keep me off base and make this assignment more enjoyable it's just where do you go when you don't know anyone and your one of the only single people in your shop?

[mawfia]

Yes but even with a Japanese passport you can still be denied entry in to places. Hopefully Im no the first person to tell you this.

[Okihater]

Do i detect a hint of hope on you part.:D
Well I found a secret location which remain as such and plan to take it to my grave...reason is i got tired of hanging out around all those beaches where "loud raucous americans" gathered so i vowed to "discovery" a new sanctuary and after much searching i found one ..now if i were to let the location become public knowledge there would most likely be a full scale invasion ....how can i put this...if you found an island full of hot women how many men would you tell?
Don't think i would even tell my dad about this place:scratchchin:

Of course there is a hint of hope..... Do you really belive that i would enjoy the last 6 months here sucking as much as the 2 1/2 years i have spent..... whether or not i am negative it is not because i am a negative person it is because i am not happy.... I still live life to the Fulliest

[Richard Burns]

Hell yea most signs off base are in broken english. No shit. So wha. It's not their language.

Now in the Philippines English is one of their native languages. Same for Singapore, Hong Kong and India so the English is better.

[kombu_kid]

I dunno.......poontang, beer, beaches and good times w/friends......I guess I'm just into the simple pleasures.

[Richard Burns]

Yes but even with a Japanese passport you can still be denied entry in to places. Hopefully Im no the first person to tell you this.


Wrong.

Yes is does happen. But you can actually bring them to court for a lawsuit and win.

But if somebody didn't want me in their place **** em I'll spend my money elsewhere.

In fact even visa holders are not supposed to be banned from places. In fact that happened in mainland to 2 European teachers. They got denied entry into a night club. They sued the owner and won.

[mawfia]

Wrong.

Yes is does happen. But you can actually bring them to court for a lawsuit and win.

But if somebody didn't want me in their place **** em I'll spend my money elsewhere.

In fact even visa holders are not supposed to be banned from places. In fact that happened in mainland to 2 European teachers. They got denied entry into a night club. They sued the owner and won.

Burns im gonna make one more attempt at acknowledging your posts, it seems your disgruntled. I think im being diplomatic, so im not sure why you attacking all of my posts (acting like a troll).

Anyway, I am in no way shape or form saying Okinawa sucks...which would be purely an opinion. It is a known fact however, even you agreed that there are business signs in broken english. I wasnt going to pursue this topic but since you want to know...the point i guess is it reflects the school system in Japan.

How simple would it be for the business owner to just ask a native english speaker to proof read the sign before spending money and putting the sign up. I assume by your earlier post about PFCs and Company grade officers that your a Marine. Then you know as well as I do that "perception is reality", right? If I am to put effort in learning the culture here and people what message does it say to me when I see business signs in engish that are blatantly incorrect?

[Richard Burns]

Actually I'm not disgruntled at all. I'm not attacking you I'm simply debating an issue. I'm not a Marine anymore and I don't know what difference it's supposed to make anyhow.

Article 14 of the Japanese Constitution paragraph 1All of the people are equal under the law and there shall be no discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin.

[Okihater]

Burns im gonna make one more attempt at acknowledging your posts, it seems your disgruntled. I think im being diplomatic, so im not sure why you attacking all of my posts (acting like a troll).

Anyway, I am in no way shape or form saying Okinawa sucks...which would be purely an opinion. It is a known fact however, even you agreed that there are business signs in broken english. I wasnt going to pursue this topic but since you want to know...the point i guess is it reflects the school system in Japan.

How simple would it be for the business owner to just ask a native enlish speaker to proof read the sign before spending money and putting the sign up. I assume by your earlier post about PFCs and Company grade officers that your a Marine. Then you know as well as I do that "perception is reality", right? If I am to put effort in learning the culture here and people what message does it say to me when I see business signs in engish that are blatantly incorrect?

I have to call BS here..... RB is not attacking you... at least IMO. How does their inability to speak english reflect their school system? Can you speak Japanese without messing up? If not it looks like America has failed you.... I think a buisness sign should be correct... not because it matters to me but it is a buisness and how you present yourself means something. But you are going into a japanese establishment and purchasing a japanese commmodity.....

[Richard Burns]

Like I said I'm not disgruntled in the least. I'm not trolling either. But I am responding to your posts and will continue to do so.

I never attacked you and I've been civil so far.

But if you want to see disgruntled..............

[Okihater]

But how about some information sharing and maybe an answer or 2 about Newafguy's questions... i am intrested in hearing a suggestion to help. Maybe he isn't a social butterfly and wants others opinions like I do..... or maybe i am just retarted.

[mawfia]

I just want to make sure we are on the same page...but we are talking about public business signs right? Do you want me to explain what "perception is reality" means?

I dont recall ever seeing a public business sign in the U.S. with mispellings, maybe Im just missing it.

Of course it reflects the Japanese education system. Since everything military personnel does here reflects the U.S. right? If I were to walk around off base with a sign in my hand with mispellings it would be in the newspaper about how horrible the U.S. eduction system is (im willing to bet on it almost)!

[Richard Burns]

JU meets are a damn good time.

[Godzilla]

I think those broken engrish signs are freaking funny. They kinda add to the charm of okinawa. I will never forget a sign I saw in a bathroom down in Naha it said "To stop leak turn cock to the right". There I was taking a piss and I read that sign and started busting up laughing. All the Japanese dudes in the bathroom must have thought I was crazy.