The FBI doesn't like your clothing apparel

[TheNoNamedOne]

The FBI wants to tell you how to dress -- in banks.

Virtually all bank robberries have hats and sunglasses involved in them. The FBI wants a dress code for inside banks. That would mean removing your hats and sunglasses on entering a bank. But, would someone be breaking the dress code law, too, if they didn't remouve their toupe` or wig? After all, those, too, conceal real identifying characteristics and have often been used in robberies.

FBI wants law targeting hats, sunglasses in banks (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003883943_bankrobberies14m0.html)

Special Agent Larry Carr plans to work with Washington state lawmakers on legislation that would forbid banks from doing business with customers who wear hats and sunglasses while inside the bank. ...

Many banks already ask customers to remove hats and sunglasses before approaching tellers, but customers often do not comply or bank employees do not enforce the policy, said Carr and officials at local banks. If it's a law, banks will have to enforce it, Carr said.

My opinion is that banks should make it their private policy of not doing business with those who refuse to honor their dress code upon their visits to the bank. I don't like the idea of giving this right to dress as one wishes to law enforcement when it doesn't seem necessary.

Do you think this should be federal law or stay at the bank level with their policy of refusing to do business with customers that refuse to honor their dress codes?

[DougP]

AR groups don't like our diet either. If they can control what I eat why can't the FBI regulate what I wear?

[dk]

I have no problem with dress codes, but I think it should be up to the institution to set their own standards. No reason for the FBI or authority to even be involved in this.

I don't have a problem taking my hat off before entering a building if I know ahead of time that it's expected or am told at the door.

[TheNoNamedOne]

AR groups don't like our diet either. If they can control what I eat why can't the FBI regulate what I wear?

Because hats, wigs, and sunglasses do not preclude a robbery or killing from that. A flesh diet precludes killing. That is why they are not analogical.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I have no problem with dress codes, but I think it should be up to the institution to set their own standards. No reason for the FBI or authority to even be involved in this.

I don't have a problem taking my hat off before entering a building if I know ahead of time that it's expected or am told at the door.

That is my sentiment on the matter as well. All banks need to do is post their simple dress code at the entrance. A lot of banks have a security guard there as well who could politely ask the person to read the sign and then make changes to their apparel before entering.

[DougP]

Because hats, wigs, and sunglasses do not preclude a robbery or killing from that. A flesh diet precludes killing. That is why they are not analogical.


Its analogical due to the fact that they are two groups trying to impose their rules on people based on what they feel to be appropriate.

I wasn't going any further than that. I guess that means I can't wear my ski mask to the bank anymore:crying:

[dk]

I thought most bank robberies these days were done electronically.

[newvalor]

I thought most bank robberies these days were done electronically.


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Anyways if banks are too busy saying everybody is a suspect they have too much freetime they could be using to design countermeasures.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Its analogical due to the fact that they are two groups trying to impose their rules on people based on what they feel to be appropriate.

I wasn't going any further than that.

Then it falls apart there. Or, if it isn't a complete analogy, it can't be grafted for use when it comes to the final analysis of the two situations.

I guess that means I can't wear my ski mask to the bank anymore:crying:

lol.

btw, I wish U.S. banks had bathrooms for their customers to use like Jpn banks. I am wondering if banks do not offer that simply because they would be weary what someone could be assembling in a closed stall.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I thought most bank robberies these days were done electronically.

I think there are still a lot of computer illiterate bank robbers who cling to the old fashion way.

[ryukyuboi]

I can and will take my banking business where no dress codes exist. Besides, I bank mostly from ATMs or online these days. I can do my banking business online and naked with a bank.

[Fonze]

I wish U.S. banks had bathrooms for their customers to use like Jpn banks. I am wondering if banks do not offer that simply because they would be weary what someone could be assembling in a closed stall.

I have seen some with bathrooms, but never thought about it. Your wonder is probably right though.

What about those people that wear those prescrition glasses that are dark as hell, mostly the elderly.

[TheNoNamedOne]

What about those people that wear those prescrition glasses that are dark as hell, mostly the elderly.

Without prejudice to citizens and respect for law, the FBI would make it so that they would have to remove them. Old people have robbed banks, too.

[Fonze]

I don't believe the FBI should push for laws but make it clear to the banks that this will help identify robbers. So when someone says it's not the FBI needs to mind it's self or not get involved, Ibelieve it has to cause their the ones that take the cases if I'm not confused.

[dk]

I'm wondering if this is another one of those 0.23% things where laws are placed when that time could have been better spent doing something else, like beefing up the bank's IT safeguards.

[DoctorP]

I think if you go back through time and see how many times a sketch artist has compiled a sketch of bank robbers, quite often they have hats, sunglasses, and a coat on. Thus, making them off limits would at least make it easier to identify a robber...it is not going to prevent it from happening, but it will make a robber think it through more before attempting.

However, I do not think that the FBI should control it, but rather the banks. The reason the FBI is doing it though is because they have jurisdiction over bank robberies.

[socalheart]

Most people will most likely not heed a bank rule about a dress code. (Heck, not even most military people heed the dress code rules on a military installation regarding civilian attire. Military people are supposedly required to obey rules and stuff. Heh.) The FBI making a law regarding dress code in a federally insured bank won't go over well with many people. I understand what they're trying to prevent, but there should've been another option that was better.

What about that fancy electric door thing jeweler's have in their stores? There's also the ATM style entry; can't get into the bank without punching in a code. For those wanting to open a new account at a bank, swipe your state (or equivalent) ID. It takes more time and may seem impersonal, but it shows just who is coming and going. The FBI is known for that anyways. If cost is an issue, the FBI should foot at least part of the bill of updating the systems.

[ryukyuboi]

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/FBI/a0537/chapter8.htm

FBI involvement in bank robberies decreases since 9/11.

[newvalor]

Hey DP good point there. I had just read a story the other day, kinda off topic but brings up a good possible way of fixing the problem.

Ok so Southwest Airlines just had another woman come forward saying she was asked to cover up her attire. Well she did the whole 15 minutes of fame yada yada, anyways SW's reply that they have no rule or law for a dress code but they do train thier employee's (attendants/crews) that they can enforce thier own dresscode amongst the passengers when they board. They can enforce the dresscode by good taste, fashionable, and nothing offensive to others.

Well the lady that got on had a low cut type of shift on with a short, I mean short skirt on. Well the attendant thought that it was too revealing and asked her to cover up, which lead to the lady having a blanket over her body the whole flight.

Now I think that SW is in the right for the way they allow thier employee's to conform a dresscode that can be upheld by others on board, parents of young children don't need to see that stuff. Elderly couples don't want some guy with all that crazy makeup/piercings/etc. sitting next to them. The worst thing SW can do is take that person off the flight and have them come back dressed nicer.

Sounds again like the could spend more time using different methods rather than just laying down a law without thinking it fully thru.

[ryukyuboi]

Southwest ends up giving one of these ladies a couple of round trip tickets and an apology. I don't think Southwest has been able to reach the other lady yet...Southwest employees are far from any fashion plate. In fact, Southwest used these events to promote "minifares." Southwest must have taken some heat, and didn't like the negative press it received.

[P_chan]

Hey DP good point there. I had just read a story the other day, kinda off topic but brings up a good possible way of fixing the problem.

Ok so Southwest Airlines just had another woman come forward saying she was asked to cover up her attire. Well she did the whole 15 minutes of fame yada yada, anyways SW's reply that they have no rule or law for a dress code but they do train thier employee's (attendants/crews) that they can enforce thier own dresscode amongst the passengers when they board. They can enforce the dresscode by good taste, fashionable, and nothing offensive to others.

Well the lady that got on had a low cut type of shift on with a short, I mean short skirt on. Well the attendant thought that it was too revealing and asked her to cover up, which lead to the lady having a blanket over her body the whole flight.

Now I think that SW is in the right for the way they allow thier employee's to conform a dresscode that can be upheld by others on board, parents of young children don't need to see that stuff. Elderly couples don't want some guy with all that crazy makeup/piercings/etc. sitting next to them. The worst thing SW can do is take that person off the flight and have them come back dressed nicer.

Sounds again like the could spend more time using different methods rather than just laying down a law without thinking it fully thru.

I think that's pretty ridiculous IMO. If she wants to dress like a whore, then let her dress like a whore. I'm sure some cranky old couple would be complaining no matter what she was wearing.

So what she's wearing a short skirt? Women dress like that all the time in public and no one is running around covering them up with blankets. Honestly, how was she disturbing people? During the flight she will be sitting down most of the time so only a handful of people will see her.

[newvalor]

well thier not worried about the people sitting in front or behind her. It's the person they have sitting next to her. So what if the person sitting next to her got offended??? Just an oddball comparison here, say like an Amish person sitting next to uhmm some chick like I explained. Ok so clothes of that nature are not allowed in thier culture. They are trying not only to set a dresscode enforcement but also make people uncomfortable, bad enough people are uncomfortable flying.

But hey this was just some article I read, not saying it has to be the best thing to do. But I'm just throwing out and idea myself.

It sounds rediculous, but why would you travel looking like a slut. You could possibly be sitting next to a future employer or contact for a contract. How do you think that would impress that person/s image.

dressing like a slut in public is different in comparison. If you are paying to fly on a commercial plane you are paying for a service, but like all other things services of a business can be subject to the fine print or rules enforced not only for the safety of others but also for the relaxed/casual(can't think of the word right now) enjoyment of others.

Ever remember why you had dresscodes in school???? I remember you couldn't wear certain gang colors, shorts to short, skirts to short, shirts showing too much, shirts being to short, etc. You should get the point, that's all I'm saying about this.

I never also mentioned that it is on the attendants to make the decision whether attire is appropriate/in-appropriate, but they don't have to enforce it.

Now if Johnny Rent-A-Cop wants to enforce his own standards why should he not be allowed to do so. It's for the better interest in his safety that he could possibly discourage a bank robber by not giving them the chance to enter the bank, because the guard thinks the attire is not right.


Always rememeber No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service. But what about No Shorts/Pants?????

[socalheart]

For me, the random flight attendant doesn't dictate what someone wears on a plane. If a passenger doesn't like what another pasenger wears on a plane, s/he can make either a verbal or written complaint. If a child notices and comments on how another passenger dresses, the parent should address the child as best as possible. If the Federal government, like the NTSB, creates a law or regulation regarding appropriate travel attire while in the US and its territories, then passengers are required to abide by it. Otherwise, who are the airlines and their employees to be the fashion police?

[newvalor]

For me, the random flight attendant doesn't dictate what someone wears on a plane. If a passenger doesn't like what another pasenger wears on a plane, s/he can make either a verbal or written complaint. If a child notices and comments on how another passenger dresses, the parent should address the child as best as possible. If the Federal government, like the NTSB, creates a law or regulation regarding appropriate travel attire while in the US and its territories, then passengers are required to abide by it. Otherwise, who are the airlines and their employees to be the fashion police? SoutWest Airlines

Edited for fun SoCal, but I got you on the point.....