fighting a opponent: small man vs big man

[tim duncan]

do you think a small man can dominate a bigger opponent in a fight?

have been a fan..of UFC for a long time....

and remember how royce gracie (small man) use to just demolish...the big guys ...under the old rules....of UFC...no time limit..submission wins....?

[kombu_kid]

Yeah, but I think the whole Jiu Jitsu thing wasn't taken as seriously back then, and a lot of stand-up brawlers had no idea how fast they could get into big trouble with it.

[Jazz]

According to what GSP said the other day, "technique will beat size and strength everytime", but I'm not a fighter so IDK. It makes sense to me though. I love watching fights lately. Waiting for my brother to get 2009 Undisputed so we can scrap online.

[0341isa]

techinque can beat size but I think its safe to say the greater the size disadvantage, the more technically proficient you would have to be. Plus its a crapshoot. anygiven sunday type of thing. I've grappled with som eguys smaller than me and lost , i've also beaten som e guys cally. then again, i've gone up against guys that were better technically, but beat them with size/strentgh advantage.

I will say for the size thing, you want to see a guy get demoralized a bit. have him put you in what he thinks is a sure finishing hold, and then power out and toss him off you.

Of course, if you keep powering out of his stuff, instead of techniquing your way out, you get gassed out pretty quick. then your done.

on that note, lets not forget conditioning. Some guys are big and well trained, but they can only keep up for a short ime right? A lot of UFC matches seem to be won/lost though better cardio conditioning.

[canjap02]

It depends on if the big guy is skilled aswell. I m a big guy (6.5" 260) and have never lost a fight, but Im a second degree shotokan black belt and an ex cop. In my time I have seen some small guys and girls for that matter, kick the shit out of much bigger people.

[Spadesy]

In the octagon, yes. BJ Penn, for example, is a relatively small fighter that has taken down guys bigger than him.

In a non-ring environment, sure, a small guy can take down a bigger guy if he has a weapon on him (lethal or otherwise).

Size, strength, technique and speed are all advantages. You can't rely on one to completely trump the other.

[Asshat]

It depends on if the big guy is skilled aswell. I m a big guy (6.5" 260) and have never lost a fight, but Im a second degree shotokan black belt and an ex cop. In my time I have seen some small guys and girls for that matter, kick the shit out of much bigger people.

Wanna fight pussy? :) Just kidding!

In the octagon, yes. BJ Penn, for example, is a relatively small fighter that has taken down guys bigger than him.

In a non-ring environment, sure, a small guy can take down a bigger guy if he has a weapon on him (lethal or otherwise).

Size, strength, technique and speed are all advantages. You can't rely on one to completely trump the other.

There is also tenacity. Being busier than the other guy.

Also, being able to take a punch, or work through pain. For example, the bigger guy might have a smaller face structure, so not able to absorb a shot off the chin.

[Trail]

Little guys tend to have speed and agility on their side but not always. As said, it just depends on how skilled the big guy is. Also the "Napoleon" aka "Little man" complex I think gives the little guys an edge sometimes. They don't want to loose just because they are small so they fight hard.

[Crazysix]

Size beat Technique
Lesnar vs Mir
Just watch the fight yesterday
but GSP is insane lol.

But usually technique will beat size

[0341isa]

it sjust depends on too many factors to even list. how good is your technique, WHAT is your techinique? etc etc. Like there are some styles that specifically seem to show neutralize a bigger opponent. Youshow me a king fu master and Im sure he will whip on a bigger guy. then again you show me a skilled boxer, and i bet all that skill isnt going to make up for the other dude being a straight powerhouse. it all depends.


one thing i will say, every once in a while that size can even work against you. all depends. i know one guy who used to say he liked fighting big muscular dudes, because he likes using trinagle chokes a lot and he says that his opponents having big biceps just makes the choke that much tighter.

[DJ Tak]

A little dude, with all the skill in the world, but lacking power will get destroyed by a big dude. So what if you hit him a hundred times, if none of those blows hurt.

[0341isa]

on a side note, for those of you that grapple around at all, even if its just rarely for recreation, whats your favorite move? I know I know, you'v egot to be versatile and stuff, but still everybody ends up with at least one "go to" hold they know htey can count on. How bout it?

For me, its gotta be the straight up, simple ass ankle lock. See, to me, the average guy (not the super slick, experienced guy mind you) will get you in the guard, and then he just KNOWS you want to do one of two things. try to pass his guard, or maybe you'll give up and try to just back out of it, in which case they rarely put up that much of a fight anyways, cuase they are more concerned with keeping you from passing most of the time. people dont always remmebr to worry about thier feet.

anyways, as soon as i get stuck in the guard, ill let him fight with me a minute, then start trying to back my way out of it. (if he wants to hold on, a couple elbows to the thighs will fix that) anyways, as I'm backing out, i'll drop an arm around that ankle, and its as good as over.

[Richard Burns]

GSP is the best fighter of our time that's all I know.

[0341isa]

A little dude, with all the skill in the world, but lacking power will get destroyed by a big dude. So what if you hit him a hundred times, if none of those blows hurt.

unless its a little dude that knows exactly where tohit you, or a little dude thats really good at joint mannipulation. Weve all seen the little old dudes that can make a big dude their bitch with a few wrist locks. (**** those hurt). But again, were talking dudes with exceptional skill. YOu show me a "just ok, or novice" big dudes, and a "pretty good" little dude. I think the big man will put it on him. Plus like like i was thining before.style matters. some styles are meant to help you take down a larger oponnenet, some are not.

[Richard Burns]

In real life fights like at a bar or w/e I've seen little dudes fyck big dudes up.

[Jazz]

sugartarded smack

*this was my last sugartarded smack for today, I'd like to thank DK first and foremost....

[DougP]

A little dude, with all the skill in the world, but lacking power will get destroyed by a big dude. So what if you hit him a hundred times, if none of those blows hurt.

Don't have to knock a guy out in MMA. That little fellow, if he has all the ground skill in the world, can always hyper extend the bigger guy's elbow, dislocate his shoulder, break his ankle or put him to sleep with a RNC (rear naked choke) :) Provided the bigger guy isn't as skilled in his ground game and doesn't have decent take-down defense. That being said, if they both were equal in skill, I'd have to give it to the larger of the two. Seen quite a few of those matches end without that many punches or kicks being thrown. Now a days, the majority of the fighters in MMA a more well rounded and cross train in multiple disciplines. As the overall skill set of the fighters improved, weight classes seemed to be a logical progression in the sport. Don't see that many David VS Goliath matches anymore.

[Trail]

Don't see that many David VS Goliath matches anymore.

Good point. Also everyone is put with someone roughly the same weight in MMA due to the weight classes. That levels the playing field some what as well.

[abonifi1]

I wont speak for MMA but when I wrestled, (weight classes and all) there were always some key factors that showed through:

Technique
Leverage (tall and lanky did better)
Strength
Style

I'm not big, I was a technician, most people couldn't beat me on technique, but every now and then I'd get a steriod taking powerhouse, that could break every thing I did purely with strength and adrenanline.

Leverage, all the technique in the world doesn't matter if you cannot gain leverage on your opponent to toss them, you'll most likely get caught by defense, or hurt yourself.

Strength is important but you have 2 types of strength that people dont pay attention too. Brute strength, like the power lifters you see, and muscular endurance. In the military the power lifters used to come over to make and "offer their advice" to get bigger, but I always trained for endurance, it doesn't matter how big and strong you are if you cant last past the 2 minute mark (mike tyson vs buster douglas)

Style, MMA has different fighting styles, but within each discipline, there is the individuals style. Fav. moves, ect. A good opponent not only trains, but trains to beat the person they are meeting on the mat that day.

I personally trained to defend an individuals strength, as many of many opponents trained specifically against me.


EDIT: as for the punches and injuries, well, I am sure in MMA as it was in wrestling, your adrenaline is going so much that you do not even realize you are injured many times until long after the match is over.

I continued many matches with breaks, or strains, and did not notice, sometimes, until the next day.

[DougP]

The bigger guy doesn't always win. Some funny matches. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yhqFI-wUcw

Fedor vs the 7'2" 330lbs beast from the east Hong Man Choi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXmbO9Oyzb0

[0341isa]

Agreeed, but then forget injury, what about getting good old fashioned knocked the hell out. Of course on that one,you really wonder. some guys are just known for knoockout power. Then again some little quicks guys know where "the button" is.

Then after you've already factored in all that stuff and you've finally figured out who is really more likely to win the fight, what happens? the other dude just lands that one lucky ass punch.;)


actually semi related story. Boot camp, final level of pugil sticks. im up against a pretty beefy dude. well for those here that dont know, the goal op pugil sticks is not to beat the guy down, knock him around, or anything else.

its a bayonet trainer. the goal is to take one "weapon" of the ends of the stick (black end = buttstock red end = bayonet) and land what represents a killing blow. (butt to the head, bayonet to the head, neck or heart)

anyways, imin there with old boy and he ******* clocks my ass. it glances off enough that they dont consider it a kill shot, but literally i was stunned and woosy a sec. so anyways, i stumble left a quick sec, get turned around, and as i am trying to shake that last shot off, whip around to try and square off again. (im just trying to stay on my feet.) as dumb luck would have it, as i spin aroud, pugil stick spinning with me, he leans in to try and take another shot, and bam! my "bayonet" ends lands a straight clean shot right center in his face.

(i got the win, but as i was walking off, my DI goes, "you KNOW you just got lucky as shit."

[BEELINE]

Technique, Heart and Gas beats size most every time. Unless your up agenst a real big Bone Crusher with Heart and Gas then kiss your ass good bye.

Peace

[Rossi46]

GSP is the best fighter of our time that's all I know.

What makes him better than Fedor?

[Richard Burns]

What makes him better than Fedor?

The fact that he's a true champion. He has class, he's a good sport, plus that's my favorite fighter and that's it. I think Fedor's overrated imo. He's good but overrated.

[Rossi46]

The fact that he's a true champion. He has class, he's a good sport, plus that's my favorite fighter and that's it. I think Fedor's overrated imo. He's good but overrated.

If you have ever watched any of fedor's fights you could easily say the same for him. He carries himself with a lot of respect and class. Also, GSP has 2 losses by KO and submission, Fedor has None. I like GSP a lot, but I don't understand how Fedor is always overlooked by UFC fans.

[GlobeTraveler00]

I am a smaller guy. I have taken some bigger guys down but that was only because of technique or out lasting them. My technique is to stay away from a situation where their strength/size would provide them an overwhelming advantage. Stay behind them.

[Aho_okinawa]

Techniques do the best whether you use your Willie or hand.