Pieing: Ok or not Ok?

[TheNoNamedOne]

What do you think about the act of throwing a traditional cream pie into the face of someone? Do you think that is assault, violent assault, civil disobedience, expression of speech, legitimate expression of speech? Should it be a misdameanor or a felony?

Some famous people have been pied as a way to draw attention to a person's character flaws or bad policies. Isn't pieing someone an effective way to get national attention and spotlight for a few seconds on a problem one thinks the world should consider (regardless of whether they are right or wrong on their view)? After all, anyone can do it if they can meneuver themselves close enough to their target. Doesn't take millions of dollars to buy a 30 second spot on national networks around the world, so isn't it a way of empowering the little people, bringing them up to the giants for a short time?

Is pieing a friend out of good humor, or making a point to them about something by it, to be considered any less good or bad than doing so to a stranger or one of high public status?

How do you view the act of pieing?

http://www.pixelbeat.org/ms_mirth/ms67.jpg
Bill Gates got pied!

[dk]

I think it's pretty funny.

[socalheart]

If it's at a carnival type thing with volunteers being pied or between friends in as a mutual pie fight joke OUTSIDE (not in my house you don't), I think it's fine. It's a mutually accepted pieing. When someone is randomly pied by a stranger, it's a misdemeanor physical assault. It may not physically harm a person, like punching him, but it's rude and at least incurs cleaning costs. The same goes for mud slinging and other messy thrown things.

[P_chan]

It's funny, but really childish at the same time.

If you've got a problem with something and/or someone, why not just debate that person? Instead you throw a pie, and the legitimacy of your argument goes right down the toilet IMO.

[Fonze]

I guess it's better than placing explosives to get their message across.

[DougP]

I chuckle when I see it sometimes but I know I'd attack someone if they did that to me. Kind of a reflex sort of thing.

That gag did get old about half a century ago though.

[socalheart]

It went out with the death of the first Stooge. :rolleyes: It's such a guy thing. Heh. I think dk needs to find an emoticon of get a pie thrown in the face or something like it. ;)

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

As pieing humilates the victim publically, it may tend to harden their feeling and lessen the chances that they will come around to seeing the viewpoint of the other side. All in all not a good way to make a point.:thumbdown:

[TheNoNamedOne]

It may not physically harm a person, like punching him, but it's rude and at least incurs cleaning costs. The same goes for mud slinging and otehr messy thrown things.

I think that rudeness is a certain aspect of it, but hey, political leaders and heads of corporations didn't get to where they are by being thin skinned and not being a little rude themselves at some point on their climb to the top.

Those that are usually targeted have more than enough money to handle cleaning costs, and besides, when they appear before a judge if the police and target press charges, penalties in fines are levied to pay for damanges. Pie throwers accept that as a small cost for their publicity and message on a point getting out to millions -- even if not briefly and not in full.

[DougP]

what ever happened to that guy who went around kicking people in the nuts?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I think that rudeness is a certain aspect of it, but hey, political leaders and heads of corporations didn't get to where they are by being thin skinned and not being a little rude themselves at some point on their climb to the top.

Are you saying two wrongs make a right?:confused:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Are you saying two wrongs make a right?:confused:

I don't think it is right to not be rude ALL the time.

Sometimes rudeness is justified if a point you are making or want to make is being ignored all the time. Some may consider it rude for 100 Okinawans to sit in front of a gate to stop traffic, since it could cause people inconvenience and be late, but then they view the foot print of U.S. bases here rude.

It is/can be complicated.

You aren't suggesting that rudeness is NEVER justified with the "Does two wongs make a right" classic question, are you?

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

I don't think it is right to not be rude ALL the time.

Sometimes rudeness is justified if a point you are making or want to make is being ignored all the time. Some may consider it rude for 100 Okinawans to sit in front of a gate to stop traffic, since it could cause people inconvenience and be late, but then they view the foot print of U.S. bases here rude.

It is/can be complicated.

You aren't suggesting that rudeness is NEVER justified with the "Does two wongs make a right" classic question, are you?
I actually am suggesting that rudeness is never justified. I think it's wrong in any situation. The hard part, however, is a concise definition, as you pointed out.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I actually am suggesting that rudeness is never justified. I think it's wrong in any situation.

Then what about this?:
Moderation in all things, including moderation.

Moderation means permission and prohibition in some degrees. "All things" simply means all things, of which rudeness is a subset of. Therefore, if your siggy holds any sway to your personal belief system, then you must concede that a certain degree of rudeness is therefore permitted.

The hard part, however, is a concise definition, as you pointed out.

Exactly.

It sure may be rude to show a crucifix in a cup of urine, but freedom of expression and speech protects what others feel is rude. It imposes upon their sensibilities, but pieing, too, is to a certain extent an espression of speech. There is no physical harm -- other than a little ego bruising and embarrassment. But a message gets expressed.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Then what about this?:


Moderation means permission and prohibition in some degrees. "All things" simply means all things, of which rudeness is a subset of. Therefore, if your siggy holds any sway to your personal belief system, then you must concede that a certain degree of rudeness is therefore permitted.

I will concede. My friends and me get together for sports or drinks, and we are really rude to each other. All in good fun. In those kinds of situations, it'allowable. With people I am not friends with, and we have no implicit understanding, I don't like it.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fair enough, eelcurb. Some good discussion.

[OCanadaOurHomeAndNativeLand]

Fair enough, eelcurb. Some good discussion.

You drive a hard bargin:thumbup1:keeps me on my toes:)Indeed some good discussion. Cheers for that!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Here is Anna Wintour, Chief Editor of Vogue Magazine, under a pie attack in October of 2005 by PETA for her use of fur ads in Vogue.

What kind of pie was it? A tofu pie, of course!

lol. She's got some on her forehead, hair, cheek and neck.

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/dailydish/2005/10/10/dd_wintour250x227.jpg

Actually she's been pied twice by PETA. The first time was in May of the same year:

Wintour looked visibly shaken (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356603/posts), but her muscle--aka Andre Leon Talley---quickly enveloped her and protectively marched her backstage to clean up.

The blonde was not stopped, and neither was Anna; she was back in her seat at Chanel before most people had arrived.

Hillary Alexander went to talk to Anna and found her in good spirits, 'She said she didn't know what type of pie it was--maybe tofu, but she was sure it was great for her skin.'

Good to see she had a sense of humor about it in the end. But, at first, she was visibly shaken.

I geuss animals are visibly shaken when they are trapped and awaiting the trapper to come and club them to death, or those kept in cages in horrible conditions, or the time comes to the method of kill for them.

Poor ol' Anna's shaking is most probably less severe.

Oh, and the blond activist escaped. See? This little vinnette does have a happy ending.

[kombu_kid]

Don't most activists from "X" group have a deep conviction in their cause, and that usually the "ends justify the means"? Rudeness? Without rudeness, there would be no push or reason for change. I remember the '92 L.A. riots. The mayor and police chief came out and said that rioting wasn't the right way to change things. Yeah right! I'd say it worked a lot more effectively than sitting in a circle with signs. Not that I agree with their reason for rioting, I'm just saying it was effective.

[a_bjyrd]

It's funny, but really childish at the same time.

If you've got a problem with something and/or someone, why not just debate that person? Instead you throw a pie, and the legitimacy of your argument goes right down the toilet IMO.

I agree with you it is funny to a point but is really childish and rude!

[Boost]

I don't know about anyone else, but if someone where to do something as stupid and immature as to pie me, it would only solitfy my resolve to continue doing, if not increase in doing, whatever it was the person was attemting to protest. Perhaps I would increase my consumption of steak from only now and then to 2-3 times a week. And my, wouldn't a new fur coat be nice?

[themadscientist]

It should be considered simple assault just so the ensuing asskicking dropped on the attacker will be legitamate self defense. It is fine to disagree with some one but the minute you lay hands, or in this case pie, on the person you have crossed the line into assault.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, this guy has a great analysis on pieing. And the real video of Bill Gates taking one is just great. Be sure to check it out.

YouTube - I CALL FOR A PIEING!!!

[P_chan]

That guy needs to use his indoor voice and speak with his hands less.

He also seems to cause unnecessary emphasis on certain syllables.

Someone needs to slap him in the face, but not with a pie.

I also thinks he really wants to blow this Belgium guy.

He also talks about pompous airbags, yet he seems to be one himself. I think he took one too many drama classes in high school.

He does make some good points though.

[Tony Stacks]

Are you saying two wrongs make a right?:confused:

Actually 2 wrongs do make a right a lot of the time.

[Tony Stacks]

It should be considered simple assault just so the ensuing asskicking dropped on the attacker will be legitamate self defense. It is fine to disagree with some one but the minute you lay hands, or in this case pie, on the person you have crossed the line into assault.


Actually it is legally assault it's just ppl usually don't press charges.

[Oxmix]

what ever happened to that guy who went around kicking people in the nuts?

For him it looks like payback is a bitch. :D

YouTube - kick in the balls

Regards

Ox

[Boost]

For him it looks like payback is a bitch. :D


LoL-perhaps that should be the punishment for any one immature enough to use the pie in the face antic as a means to protest. Bet they'd think twice next time!

[Tony Stacks]

Are you saying two wrongs make a right?:confused:


Actually 2 wrongs do make a right most of the time.