What do Marines have against umbrellas?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Why aren't marines allowed to carry an umbrella when in garrison? Walking to the chow hall from the barracks could be much less of a hassle if they could carry an umbrella, rather than having to root through their closet and get their wet weather gear?

Is this another one of those "doesn't look professional" kind of things that some have put forth for the reason not to talk on a cell phone in uniform and walk at the same tine?

I don't think the other services have such a strict umbrella policy, so am wondering if marines are threatened by or scared of umbrellas for some reason.

Really, though, what would be so bad about a nice sharp black looking umbrella?

[DougP]

Is this in uniform? I mean are you saying they can't have an umbrella while in civilian clothes as well?

[TheNoNamedOne]

This is pertaining to uniform.

What is wrong with using an umbrella while in garrison while in uniform? Nothing, wrong with a sharp looking black umbrella, is there?

[dk]

Agent Smith didn't have an umbrella during his epic battle with Neo out in the rain on Matrix Reloaded. Why should the military be any different? You never know when you need to dish out a supersonic wall breaking punch/kick. Really hard to do when you're holding an umbrella!

Or was that revolutions? Man, I can't remember.

On topic, I don't know, but an umbrella seems like it'd get in the way.

[DougP]

Actually they have rain gear that they can wear instead. The government spent a lot of money on that rain gear so why not wear it:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

On topic, I don't know, but an umbrella seems like it'd get in the way.

Get in the way of yet? Just walking to the chow hall or the PX. Ain't like they are tasked with anything then that requires their left arm and hand.The right can be free for saluting or using a cell phone. All comes back to multi-tasking.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Actually they have rain gear that they can wear instead. The government spent a lot of money on that rain gear so why not wear it:)

Yeah, for cammies and in the field, or working in the motor pool when it is raining, sure. But c'mon, in garrison while walking from point A to point B? What's wrong with an umbrella?

Are marines allowed to use an umbrella if they are in dress uniform, or is that, too, a no-no reg violation?

[dk]

Get in the way of (what)?
You know. Stuff! :ohmy:

[DougP]

Yeah, for cammies and in the field, or working in the motor pool when it is raining, sure. But c'mon, in garrison while walking from point A to point B? What's wrong with an umbrella?

Are marines allowed to use an umbrella if they are in dress uniform, or is that, too, a no-no reg violation?

I think s funny you want the marines to be able to use an umbrella but they can't complain about going to Iraq for the fourth time in a row. LOL:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

I think its funny you want the marines to be able to use an umbrella but they can't complain about going to Iraq for the fourth time in a row. LOL:D

That is funny, huh!

But I am all for Marines in Iraq using an umbrella when they are in the Green Zone.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Now, imagine a marine in the same pose as this in uniform. What is there unprofessional about it? This person seems quite happy and would probably re-enlist because they can use an umbrella and cell phone at the exact same time in uniform.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/CRT/CRT461/15482-21dg.jpg

We need happy marines. If they were, then they wouldn't be pulling crap like they did in Haditha.

[socalheart]

:D :chuckle: It's probably a professional look thing for Marines in uniform. That chick looks like she's a college student or soccer mom. Yes, that's probably her uniform. Heh. Maybe they think the Marine will list to one side if carrying an umbrella. ;) :chuckle:

[A'Sharad]

Im in the USAF and even though it IS allowed in uniform I wont use one. I guess it falls to the whole TOUGH military image thing. I would rather get wet than be seen in BDU's walking with a rain canopy.:thumbdown:

[socalheart]

Yeah, well, don't come crying to me when you catch a cold from it. :p he doesn't even use an umbrella out of uniform.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Oh, I just remembered! C2USA is Socal's husband. I kinda feel bad now. I was a little rough with one of my posts to C2 just a few mins ago. Sorry, C2. Nothing personal. Just talk.

[socalheart]

Bah! You can rough him up a bit. Don't feel bad. :p He's a growna$$ man. If he can stand up to my mother, he can stand up to you, tP. ;)

[TheNoNamedOne]

lol. Thanks, Socal. For a second I thought I had opened up another husband wife tag team against me. Yikes to that.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Heh. Maybe they think the Marine will list to one side if carrying an umbrella.

That is funny! That is why for safety reasons they should carry both, a cell phone and an umbrella in opposite hands -- to balance weight and minimize listing as much as possible.

Man, what ever happened to xxzjxx? He'd be all over this. Maybe he could answer some of the questions on reasoning behind these regs. I remember him as a hard chargin' military apologist kind of guy.

[Fonze]

We need happy marines. If they were, then they wouldn't be pulling crap like they did in Haditha.

Damn TP I know your ant-mil but isn't this generalizing them a little. To say they as in those 1000's of marines there did this.
I don't see you defending your pu$$y infested AR groups like ALF over there bullshit they pulled, on the other thread. I mean those cowards hide behind the non profit org banner aren't any better than those guys are they. I guess to you they are.:thumbdown:

[atb35]

Any real man wouldnt use an umbrella, it is gay looking. Its rain, water, you wont die from it, deal with it like a man. This is the same as all the other metro-sexual things that men want to do these days....stop trying to be so damn feminine, grow some balls and start being real men again!

IMO, that is why military dont use umbrellas in uniform.

[P_chan]

Now, imagine a marine in the same pose as this in uniform. What is there unprofessional about it? This person seems quite happy and would probably re-enlist because they can use an umbrella and cell phone at the exact same time in uniform.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/CRT/CRT461/15482-21dg.jpg

We need happy marines. If they were, then they wouldn't be pulling crap like they did in Haditha.

Wow making a marine look like that would be bad. All cheesy with his umbrella in one hand and talking to his best buddy on his cell in the other. They would look so tough they would send the bad guys running scared!:thumbdown:

[P_chan]

Here we go I think I found a picture of him. I call him super umbrella marine.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6996/umbrellamarineyx7.jpg

Boy he really portrays that "tough marine" look really well doesn't he? Seems like he's trying to look busy and important at the same time, he must be an officer.

[Fonze]

:thumbup:NICE

[TheNoNamedOne]

Ok, but put him in uniform now, and see the dramatic more professional difference transform itself before your eyes.

[dk]

Any real man wouldnt use an umbrella, it is gay looking. Its rain, water, you wont die from it, deal with it like a man. This is the same as all the other metro-sexual things that men want to do these days....stop trying to be so damn feminine, grow some balls and start being real men again!

IMO, that is why military dont use umbrellas in uniform.
That's a retarded reason for not using an umbrella. Umbrellas are not not manly. They're not anything. They're umbrellas, an invention meant to keep you dry when it's raining. That's about as dumb as saying watches are gay.

[P_chan]

I can really see a difference

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1148/handsfreehu4.jpg

[dk]

Umbrellas are tough.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/japanupdate/canyouhearme.jpg

[P_chan]

LOL that one is even better then mine! I need to work on my photoshop skills.

Hell I need to buy it first!

[TheNoNamedOne]

That's about as dumb as saying watches are gay.

Does someone know if there is a regulation from permitting male marines wearing Disney Tinkerbell watches with a pink band and baby blue trim?

Or, are all watches ok and not discriminated against?

Back to umbrellas, I also think they could be used as an improvised weapon, so they are also very functional for a warrior that may come across a terrorist that has cut through the perimeter fence and is about to asault him.

I think a marine close combat instructor would have no problem with incorporating how to use an umbrella as a weapon when in a pinch.

Close with and kill the enemy -- with your umbrellas.

[DougP]

I think watches may have to be all black iirc. As not to give their position away while they're out in town amongst civilians :)

[Fonze]

Back to umbrellas, I also think they could be used as an improvised weapon, so they are also very functional for a warrior that may come across a terrorist that has cut through the perimeter fence and is about to asault him.

I think a marine close combat instructor would have no problem with incorporating how to use an umbrella as a weapon when in a pinch.

Close with and kill the enemy -- with your umbrellas.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/thebossdoc83/penguin.jpg

[dk]

Red X. :( :(

[DougP]

maybe the red X means something.... Something really deep going on in that post :)

[socalheart]

red x... it's a pic of the Penguin action figure with an umbrella weapon. it's funny. reminded me of the movie scene when he chooses the wrong umbrella at the end. heh.

[DougP]

now I see it :) LMAO

[79Stomper]

You know if the Corps would have wanted us to use umbrellas then they would have issued us one. Looking back to a previous post stating that the government spent a lot of money on rain gear development for us is true. It is a great piece of gear and is to be used when raining in uniform. The Goretex is for while in cammies. There is also another Goretex in desert digital which has yet to come to the island. A far better piece of gear then the green digital that is currently issued. If you are in a dress uniform well then you have the All Weather trench coat and a Tanker Jacket.

The Goretex is a great improvement of the green rubber suite we were wearing 12 years ago.

[TheNoNamedOne]

You know if the Corps would have wanted us to use umbrellas then they would have issued us one.

Then why is marriage allowed -- or are spouses issued at some point through one's contract? You know, like a re-enlistment bonus, or something.

Looking back to a previous post stating that the government spent a lot of money on rain gear development for us is true. It is a great piece of gear and is to be used when raining in uniform. The Goretex is for while in cammies. There is also another Goretex in desert digital which has yet to come to the island. A far better piece of gear then the green digital that is currently issued.

Yes, all that is good for the field or working outside in the rain. I understand that. Very functional.

If you are in a dress uniform well then you have the All Weather trench coat and a Tanker Jacket.

But those do not keep the head from getting soaked. Even orangatuns like have sense enough to keep their heads from getting wet when it rains: Here (http://www.petadishoom.com/action/images/100-orangutan.jpg).

The Goretex is a great improvement of the green rubber suite we were wearing 12 years ago.

But sometimes marines are caught in midday in a passing squal while outside with no Goretex and no nearby cover. Now, think how much grumbling it would relieve from marines not having to do extra washing and ironing of uniforms, drying wet sox and boots, if they had a nifty collapsable umbrella in their cargo pocket all the time. Like this:

http://www.artinstituteshop.org/content/images/2634.jpg

And the inside, instead of cute clouds and skies could be decorated with a pattern of Marine Bulldog mascots, or nifty phrases that marines like (e.g. The Few The Proud..., Marines do it best, First to fight, et...), or the 10 rules (or are their 11 or 12) for sentries, or the Rifle Creed. And just think, when there is some down time, a lance corporal bucking for a meritorious promotion could jump up in front of everyone else, taking the innitiative, whip out his umrella, open it up, and start giving a class on anyone of those things and his umbrella would be his visual aid.

NCOs and officers will think this marine is a hard charger with his effective use of umbrella military gear.

I see nothing but good things and benefits for a marine umbrella.

[79Stomper]

Then why is marriage allowed -- or are spouses issued at some point through one's contract? You know, like a re-enlistment bonus, or something.

It wasn't always the way it is now. back in the day you had to be an NCO to get married or to even have a car. A LCpl living out in town back in the day was unheard of and civilian attire was never worn. Always a dress uniform.



Yes, all that is good for the field or working outside in the rain. I understand that. Very functional.

Same for the field as it is in Garrison.



But those do not keep the head from getting soaked. Even orangatuns like have sense enough to keep their heads from getting wet when it rains: Here (http://www.petadishoom.com/action/images/100-orangutan.jpg).

Thats why we wear covers. Granted it does get a little wet but thats part of it all.

But sometimes marines are caught in midday in a passing squal while outside with no Goretex and no nearby cover. Now, think how much grumbling it would relieve from marines not having to do extra washing and ironing of uniforms, drying wet sox and boots, if they had a nifty collapsable umbrella in their cargo pocket all the time. Like this:

http://www.artinstituteshop.org/content/images/2634.jpg

And the inside, instead of cute clouds and skies could be decorated with a pattern of Marine Bulldog mascots, or nifty phrases that marines like (e.g. The Few The Proud..., Marines do it best, First to fight, et...), or the 10 rules (or are their 11 or 12) for sentries, or the Rifle Creed. And just think, when there is some down time, a lance corporal bucking for a meritorious promotion could jump up in front of everyone else, taking the innitiative, whip out his umrella, open it up, and start giving a class on anyone of those things and his umbrella would be his visual aid.

NCOs and officers will think this marine is a hard charger with his effective use of umbrella military gear.

I see nothing but good things and benefits for a marine umbrella.

Bottom line, we as Marines are Amphibous Warriors. A little water isn't going to bother us. We disembark off of an LCU and wade 2-6 feet ashore in water and still continue to the fight.

When I was a grunt, as a team leader we always carried a pen and a notebook. Inside that notebook we were required to have some "classes" to give when we had down time. It didn't happen too often but bet your butt you would have them with you if someone asked to see them.

If worried about your uniform getting wet, it will dry. We are issued and required to maintain a certain amount of uniforms and boots just in case they do get wet or soiled and your not able to wash them before thenext day.

All in all I do see your point for an umbrella and me being a Marine just see it as a useless piece of gear. Just something a Marine would hardly ever use and something else he would have to keep up with and maintain. If we get wet we surely aren't going to melt.

[DoctorP]

How many people actually use an umbrella here anyway? I find that using an umbrella will just get my jeans wet anyhow as the rain usually comes in sideways at me. I wear a good long rain coat and it does a great job.

[DougP]

I just get wet and suck it up really. I don't have an umbrella, my wife does:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

I just get wet and suck it up really. I don't have an umbrella, my wife does:)

I have a huge umbrella -- those golfer type umbrellas. Just a little smaller than a beech parasol. Nice and dry.

But, I have seen Marines in uniform at the airport with their family or girlfriend carrying their sea bags while the other person held an umbrella for them while they tried to stay under it with them. Are they violating the regulation then of not using an umbrella?

Is it just bad if it is your own hand holding the handle? So long as someone else holds it for you it is ok? If a marine does not get under it but holds it at arms length so that he gets wet from the rain, but the person he holds it for is staying dry under it, is that ok?

Something like this:
http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/TS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/C0032/C0032364/C0032364.jpg

If they, one or both of them were marines in uniform, would there be rule violations? What are the technicalities here involved in umbrella rules and etiquette when the marine world bumps into the civilian world?

[socalheart]

How many people actually use an umbrella here anyway?I use an umbrella. I wear glasses, and it sucks when they get spotty from the rain.

[DoctorP]

I carry a small towel and just wipe my glasses...works even better than an umbrella IMO.

[P_chan]

a little rain never hurt anyone. I just find it annoying to carry an umbrella around. Then you put it in your car, and your car seats get wet. Not to mention once you get in and out of the car you still get wet before you can open up your umbrella. Just seems useless to me.

[Hollarey]

a little rain never hurt anyone. I just find it annoying to carry an umbrella around. Then you put it in your car, and your car seats get wet. Not to mention once you get in and out of the car you still get wet before you can open up your umbrella. Just seems useless to me.


It hurts my hair after working on it for an hour to get it the way I wanted it. When I dont fix it I could care less.

[Hollarey]

I told my husband about this topic and he said that they arent even allowed to eat and walk at the same time while in uniform. He also said something else that was ridiculous but I cant remember what it is right now.

[TheNoNamedOne]

a little rain never hurt anyone.

It could. There are not so rare scenarios where a little rain could aggrevate already existing conditions or those that have almost gone away. If someone were to have an ear infection or in the beginning or ending stages of one, keeping it dry would be important. That is just one example off the top of my head.

I just find it annoying to carry an umbrella around. Then you put it in your car, and your car seats get wet. Not to mention once you get in and out of the car you still get wet before you can open up your umbrella.

Maybe the Marines could add one more day on to Boot Camp training to teach marines how to minimize those problems. They do like to brag that their Basic Training is longer than the other services. This could be one way of widening the distance even further.

Just seems useless to me.

I've already explained how it could also double as a weapon always at the ready in the side cargo pocket.

[P_chan]

Yes, my little umbrella could be a deadly weapon. I'd rather pick up a rock and smash it into someone's face then try to assault them with an umbrella.

If you have an ear infection or a bad case of the flu then you shouldn't be outside period. That's why they put people on quarters. I think most people would just suck it up and walk in the rain if they had to with an ear infection. If your honestly that sick, then you shouldn't be outside in the first place. If the rain causes you infection to flare up again, then go back to the doctor and get put on quarters again.

Maybe the Marines could add one more day on to Boot Camp training to teach marines how to minimize those problems. They do like to brag that their Basic Training is longer than the other services. This could be one way of widening the distance even further.

Way to try an insult my intelligence even further. I need a whole day to learn how to use an umbrella? I know how to use one, and I know how to minimize the mess it makes in my car. But I CHOOSE not to carry one because it's useless IMO. That couple seconds you use to open and close your umbrella while getting in and out of your car cause to to get wet anyways. There is no avoiding it, if your outside once it's raining, your going to get wet.

[socalheart]

Heh. Tell that to my husband. He goes out in the rain sans umbrella when sick also. :sigh:

I like those big golf umbrellas. Do military men use those golf umbrellas when playing golf? I suppose, on their way off the course, as not to be struck by lightning. Heh. It also doubles as a walking stick or cane, which is super. :thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

If you have an ear infection or a bad case of the flu then you shouldn't be outside period. That's why they put people on quarters.

When a case is in the beginning stages or quite mild, they may not be put on quarters. An umbrella keeping their ears dry could keep it from getting to the point where they would need to be put on quarters. Couldn't it?

I think so. Why don't you?

[P_chan]

Because you shouldn't be out in the rain anyways once your sick. Even if you don't get wet you could get worse from just going outside. By going outside once your just starting to get sick, or just getting over being sick, you should know the consequences.

I don't know about you, I'd rather go without the umbrella and take the day in quarters. Nothing like a free day of leave!:thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

But sick call corpsemen/docs and commanders will not always agree to quarters for someone slightly under the weather. An umbrella could let those with a slight ear infection work and still go from point A to B without fear of getting the ear wet and still show up for work and perform his duties.

Or are you one of those who think all those with a little sniffle, tummy ache, or ear ache needs to stay home in bed?

[P_chan]

No I'm not a pussy. I seldom go to the doctor, even once I have a bad case of the flu. I just suck it up and tough it out. I've never felt sick enough to actually go to the emergency room. Hell, I've never been put on quarters! I also think it's hilarious once someone goes to the doctor for every little thing.

[atb35]

Im just glad real men dont feel they need umbrellas...can you imagine how gay Mel Gibson would have looked giving orders under an umbrella in the jungles of Vietnam in We Were Soldiers?

But yeah, everyone should be giving the option to use them, and galoshes, and lipstick!

[TheNoNamedOne]

I also think it's hilarious once someone goes to the doctor for every little thing.

An umbrella could help keep that "little thing" from turning into a "big thing." Then they wouldn't have to go on quarters.

Seems like a sensible thing to do if it could help keep unit productivity up by keeping its members healthy.

[Mad Hatter]

What if you were walking back from the PX carrying food and your umbrella (because you don't ant to get your tidy uniform wet)... and your CO pulls up? Don't you have to salute? So which do you drop, the food or the umbrella?

I don't guess that it really matter... your still gay for using an umbrella in uniform!

Umbrella..eh..eh..eh..eh

[TheNoNamedOne]

Tilt the umbrella down a little so you don't see your CO. Or better yet, smartly come to a stop. Smartly close your umbrella. Lay it on the ground, still holding your groceries mind you. And then salute.

All movement must be snap and pop as you lay your umbrella down, or sheath it in its case. This will be training your CO on his patience skills which are always needed when waiting at an ambush site for hours and hours. It will bring back fond memories to him of when he was a buck LT platoon leader.

He will thank you for having an umbrella to slow his life down to remember the good ol' days.

[P_chan]

Wow someone over anazlyed that situation.

[atb35]

Your whole argument about getting wet and catching a cold is funny...never have I seen water cause a virus....maybe if Taliban seeded the rain clouds with influenza....

[TheNoNamedOne]

Your whole argument about getting wet and catching a cold is funny...never have I seen water cause a virus....

You are confused. Where have I said water causes a virus? Quote me where I have said so, and I will retract that.

What I have said is that rain can make things worse. You are not another one of those with a comprehension problem, are you?

Quoting can help relieve that problem. There is a formating function for that, you know.

[atb35]

You are confused. Where have I said water causes a virus? Quote me where I have said so, and I will retract that.

What I have said is that rain can make things worse. You are not another one of those with a comprehension problem, are you?

Quoting can help relieve that problem. There is a formating function for that, you know.

Where did I say you said that? I said your as in everyone posting on this thread. Show me where I said TP and I will retract it. You are not another one of those with a comprehension problem are you? Well maybe so since you DID quote me......

[TheNoNamedOne]

Where did I say you said that? I said your as in everyone posting on this thread.

"Your" as in plural for those saying rain can affect health by magnifying a problem does not exist. Only the single form of it here does, because I AM THE ONLY PERSON in this thread that has stated such. So, it is only reasonable to presume you were addressing me. It is clear you were.

...never have I seen water cause a virus....

If no one has said such, then why bring it up? It is a moote point.

[atb35]

Guess I will stop replying, if I stated you were right, you would still find argument with it.....

[TheNoNamedOne]

Guess I will stop replying, if I stated you were right, you would still find argument with it.....

lol.

@underlined: Ummmm...no, I wouldn't.

[Mad Hatter]

I am so lost.... so he said yes and the other guy said no...but then the other guy said yes again and then the other guy quoted somthing or somebady saying no to prove that it was now... I'm lost again...

weren't we talking about umbrellas? eh eh eh eh (damn that song)

[The One]

Well I just went to Kadenas BX. Went inside everything was fine. When I came out it was raining. So even if I had an umbrella I still would have gotten wet because I would have left it in the car. Unless you are like TP and carry it everywhere you go. Just in case....

[TheNoNamedOne]

If it were a military approved umbrella, then it should be part of your uniform in your cargo pocket at all times. That way you wouldn't have left it in your car. You would have stayed dry.

[Oki alumni]

SCREW THIS!!! I just wanna wait 'till it's POURING rain outside (typhoons are best for this), and find some namby pamby gay (or not) man (or woman) with an umbrella and KILL HIS (or HER) ASS...that'll prove I'm a MACHO-MAN! Yesssir, yessir, yup, yup, yup..go get 'em Gomer! Umbrella's should be OUTLAWED, then only outlaws would own umbrellas! I wanna kill, kill, kill (see my routine in "Alice's Resturant").

Oki (AKA "The BIG cohones") Alumni:old::clear19::grin1::thumbup:

[Jimmy Hoffa]

WMs can use umbrellas. So much for EO huh.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Well, that's not fair.

How about the butch WMs?

[Old Timer]

The rule cannot be qualified, but it stands. It is probably an act of rebellion against what was considered “faggotry” after WWII, and Korea. I have nothing against it in civilian dress, but does look a bit out of place while in a U.S. Marine uniform, implying that somehow, the water has a negative effect against you, and the “dandy” in you cannot get wet. Keep the rule.

[P_chan]

I have three umbrellas in my car right now!

[Fire4Effect]

That is funny, huh!

But I am all for Marines in Iraq using an umbrella when they are in the Green Zone.

I got me a Kevlar umbrella on order for my next trip to the sandbox... :thumbup1:

[Oki alumni]

MALE Marines have NOTHING against umbrellas. They're not to allowed to approach 'em that closely!

-Oki Alumni (just making an observation)

[eodmatt]

Umbrellas are the work of the Devil and should be avoided at all costs!

[Oki alumni]

Umbrellas are the work of the Devil and should be avoided at all costs!


RETINAL KEY CODED LOCKS FOR ALL UMBRELLAS!!! Be responsible...never leave YOUR unbrella unattended or unlocked.

[uriel]

Actually they have rain gear that they can wear instead. The government spent a lot of money on that rain gear so why not wear it:)

Because it gets very hot here and getting soaked with sweat to stay dry in the rain is pretty silly.

[okinawa]

I have one in the car but never used it. Its for that just in case situation. By the time I use it, it will be probably bent and it won't be able to open.

[eodmatt]

I dont know much about US Marines, except for those that I saw at the Virginia International Tattoo last April - and very impressive they were too. However I have had contact on numerous occasions with Her Magestys Royal Marines of whom it is spoken thus: "A Royal Marine is polite to everybody, friends with nobody and kills without discrimination in respect of colour, creed, nationality or religion."

Now imagine such a dedicated follower of the military tradition holding an umberella and, in a tense situation, shouting: Royal Marines, halt or I'll fi... .. um, er, shake my umberella at you

Nah, it doesnt do it for me.

[Oki alumni]

I dont know much about US Marines, except for those that I saw at the Virginia International Tattoo last April - and very impressive they were too. However I have had contact on numerous occasions with Her Magestys Royal Marines of whom it is spoken thus: "A Royal Marine is polite to everybody, friends with nobody and kills without discrimination in respect of colour, creed, nationality or religion."

Now imagine such a dedicated follower of the military tradition holding an umberella and, in a tense situation, shouting: Royal Marines, halt or I'll fi... .. um, er, shake my umberella at you

Nah, it doesnt do it for me.

Not to mention...they (umbrellas) CAN contain secret compartments with the deadly poison ricin!!!!!!!

-Oki Alumni (I've GOT to quit watching so many re-reuns of "24"!!!)

[eodmatt]

This is of course true. However the value of the Marine, whether US, or Royal, is in his or her use as a weapon of instantaneous and violent response. Poking someone with a poison loaded umberell and waiting for them to die doesnt quite fit the genre. Moreover, whilst the poker is busy poking poison, the pokee will almost certainly be returning fire and more than likely with one of Mr. Anton Kalashnikovs excellent weapons.

[Crazysix]

whilst the poker is busy poking, the pokee will almost certainly be excellent.
LMAO now thats what im talking about:smile4:

[Old Timer]

I dont know much about US Marines, except for those that I saw at the Virginia International Tattoo last April - and very impressive they were too. However I have had contact on numerous occasions with Her Magestys Royal Marines of whom it is spoken thus: "A Royal Marine is polite to everybody, friends with nobody and kills without discrimination in respect of colour, creed, nationality or religion."

Now imagine such a dedicated follower of the military tradition holding an umberella and, in a tense situation, shouting: Royal Marines, halt or I'll fi... .. um, er, shake my umberella at you

Nah, it doesnt do it for me.

If memory serves me correctly, Royal Marines, ROK Marines don't use them either. I don't use them today. Pain in the ass actually.:20a::05::35a:

[Crazysix]

never used one never will what the point, here in okinawa it rains hard, soft, sideways, it even rains upside downhttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-5lUBBdmY

[eodmatt]

LMAO now thats what im talking about:smile4:

But that brings us back to the poisoned umbrella concept (kind of) if the poker isn't careful he (it would have to be a he in this scenario) gets landed with the consequences later - in this case, around nine months later. Under such circumstances the pokee may then engage the poker aggressively, albeit not by means of the Kalashnikov, but by means of a weapon of mass financial destruction. The Lawyer.

[Oki alumni]

[QUOTE=Crazysix;124254]never used one never will what the point, here in okinawa it rains hard, soft, sideways, it even rains upside down.

GREAT VIDEO with GREAT MUSIC regretfully deleted to conserve band-width (yeahhhhh, surrrrrrreeeeeee)

Once a "vet of Okinawa", ALWAYS a "VOO". I actually had to calm a mother worried about her son, DURING the height of a typhoon, in Okinawa, back in the 70's. Damn idiot woman wanted me to PHYSICALLY go OUT from the headquarters building, and across the base to check her son's barracks. "I'll call the base commander if you don't!!!" "Could I provide you with his number ma'am? He's at home weathering out the typhoon......'click' " Hello? Hello? HELLO???? - CLICK!

Thanx for the memories of the upside-down rain C6.

-Oki Alumni:old:

P.S. If you're ever in the Tokyo area, you DIE LAUGHING at what they call a "typhoon" here!!!!!!!!

[Crazysix]

But that brings us back to the poisoned umbrella concept (kind of) if the poker isn't careful he (it would have to be a he in this scenario) gets landed with the consequences later - in this case, around nine months later. Under such circumstances the pokee may then engage the poker aggressively, albeit not by means of the Kalashnikov, but by means of a weapon of mass financial destruction. The Lawyer.
ALL LAWYERS MUST HANG

[Crazysix]

-Oki Alumni:old:

P.S. If you're ever in the Tokyo area, you DIE LAUGHING at what they call a "typhoon" here!!!!!!!!
Yeah I saw the news after a squall....errr i mean typhoon blows thru

[Obe1Canole]

MCO P1020.34G Marine Corps Uniform Regulations

"3035. UMBRELLAS. Female Marines may carry an all-black, plain standard or
collapsible umbrella at their option during inclement weather with the
service and dress uniforms. It will be carried in the left hand so that the
hand salute can be properly rendered. Umbrellas may not be used/carried in
formation nor will they be carried with the utility uniform."

I wonder why girls can have them but guys can't? Neither can have one in cammies..... weird..

[Crazysix]

[QUOTE=Obe1Canole;124269
I wonder why girls can have them but guys can't? Neither can have one in cammies..... weird..[/QUOTE]
They dont male marines being called bitches or pussy both are acceptable terms when referring to female Marines...DUH:clear19:

[Maggie]

How many people actually use an umbrella here anyway? I find that using an umbrella will just get my jeans wet anyhow as the rain usually comes in sideways at me. I wear a good long rain coat and it does a great job.

I don't even own an umbrella. I just get wet.

But then I've never owned a handbag either

I'm sure Freud would have been able to explain that.:-|

Maggie

[uriel]

Probably why it's okay for a female marine to wear a sleeveless "blouse", but it's not okay for a male marine to wear a sleeveless "shirt".

[Crazysix]

Probably why it's okay for a female marine to wear a sleeveless "blouse", but it's not okay for a male marine to wear a sleeveless "shirt".

see my above answer

[uriel]

Can you translate that for me? I'm not drunk enough to decipher what you are trying to say. Something about don't, and female Marines, then you lost me.

[Maggie]

Probably why it's okay for a female marine to wear a sleeveless "blouse", but it's not okay for a male marine to wear a sleeveless "shirt".

Now that has Always confused me :ohmy:

Maggie

[Maggie]

Are you in dk?

Maggie

[Crazysix]

They dont want male marines being called bitches or pussy, both are acceptable terms when referring to female Marines...DUH:clear19:

[uriel]

They don't want that happening, let them take a shot at the one saying it. That'll dispel any rumors the individual may have.

[Isaak Brodsky]

Why aren't marines allowed to carry an umbrella when in garrison? ...

I think it might have something to do with umbrellas looking really gay in the hands of stud-muffin Marines. Just a hunch.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Why does it look gay? Are Marines homophobic to hold such a view?

[Isaak Brodsky]

...maybe they don't mix and match well. Ya know, solids with cammies.

[TheNoNamedOne]

...maybe they don't mix and match well. Ya know, solids with cammies.

Problem solved!

https://www.ecamo.co.uk/images/CAMO_UMBRELLA_HAT.jpg

[Isaak Brodsky]

oh yeah! that definitely solves it. that's a badass hatrella.

[P_chan]

Why does it look gay? Are Marines homophobic to hold such a view?

I've met some of the biggest homophobes in the military......

[uriel]

Same here.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I didn't read thru all the posts, only the first 6 or 7 pages, so if somebody mentioned it before, I apologize.

My answer to all that, is- have you ever seen a policeman walking a beat with an umbrella? Or a fireman? A paramedic? A football player? Any self-respecting man in uniform carrying an umbrella? I haven't. Maybe yall can Google and find one. Umbrellas are to keep your dandies from getting wet, and when we are in uniform, whether just going to the PX or not, we are on the job. A man in uniform does not carry an umbrella on the job.

There are probably more practical reasons for it, such as marching in formations and what have you, but (at the risk of sounding elitist) the thing that sets Marines apart from other services is our tradition. The old guys probably frowned on it, and that was passed on. True, the old guys probably frowned on black people joining too, but hey.

All the other "rules" for Marines were never even law until the last year or so..(hands in pockets, etc.) They were merely what one commandant thought Marines shouldn't do, and this slowly became doctrine. Where did he get it from? Maybe some old Gunny when he was a Lt. It's called "Marines don't do that". I'd find a link for yall, but I'm lazy.

[uriel]

Hands in pockets still aint a rule. Just some BS that came out in the SgtMaj symposium last year.

[DJ Tak]

All the other "rules" for Marines were never even law until the last year or so..(hands in pockets, etc.) They were merely what one commandant thought Marines shouldn't do, and this slowly became doctrine. Where did he get it from? Maybe some old Gunny when he was a Lt. It's called "Marines don't do that". I'd find a link for yall, but I'm lazy.

Marines Don't Do That
By: L. F. Chapman, Jr. - Commandant
DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY
HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20380

From: Commandant of the Marine Corps
To: All General Officers and All Commanding Officers - Active and Reserve
Subj: Marines Don't Do That

1. Early this month I received the following note from a distinguished friend:

General Chapman:

"Recently I was in an air terminal......(Most people there presented a pretty sloppy appearance) - coats unbuttoned, ties loosened, etc. There was a Marine Corporal (in uniform) who was just the opposite. I spoke to the Marine and pointed out the difference to him. I asked him why it was so? His answer was: 'The Marines don't do that.'"

"Regards,"

2. "The Marines don't do that." A simple statement of fact which leaves no question in the mind of the listener.

3.

Marines don't - wear a scruffy uniform.
Marines don't - slouch around with their hands in their pockets. Marines don't - wear long hair.
Marines don't - fail to respond with a "Yes, or No, Sir" when speaking with a senior. Marines don't - render a half-hearted or sloppy salute to the Stars and Stripes or to their seniors. Marines don't - gang up on each other.
Marines don't - question lawful orders.
Marines don't - lie or cheat or break their word.
Marines don't - abandon a fellow Marine in time of need.
Marines don't - let down their fellow Marines by succumbing to drug temptation.
Marines don't - meet problems with "It can't be done" or questions with the easy answer "No."
Marines don't - knock the system without recommending appropriate change. Marines don't - (the list is all but endless).
4. Marines don't do that. But why not? Because they are a breed apart. They are not the run of the mill; they are but a few good men. They are proud members of an elite Corps. They are as well trained as-if not better than-any military outfit, anywhere. They have led the way, in war and peace, for 196 years. And they know that today they are ready-combat ready-to move out, any time, with the Navy, go anywhere, take on anybody, fight and win.

We must keep our balance, raise our quality, maintain our standards, and be ready to serve our Country. Marines do that!

/s/ L. F. Chapman, Jr.
Commandant

[TheNoNamedOne]

Pfft! @ Takeo's post above.

Marines don't do that. Yeah, right.

Marines aren't supposed to be fat, too,... but guess what? There are some rolley polley Marines that are dinged for being fat by their higher NCOs or officers.

Lie, cheat or break their word? Come on. Don't drink the cool aid.

I guess a few dabble in island people rape once in a while, eh?

[eodmatt]

It isn't necessary to hold an umbrella to look... umm .. effete. This guy, who works for Osama Bin Laden's gay and lesbian outreach department of Al Qaeda manages quite well without one.

[uriel]

Just because it was in a "letter", doesn't make it policy. I've seen that letter for quite some time. It's just the OPINION of his. Not POLICY.

[Oki alumni]

It isn't necessary to hold an umbrella to look... umm .. effete. This guy, who works for Osama Bin Laden's gay and lesbian outreach department of Al Qaeda manages quite well without one.

Dahhhhhhlink!!!...sun-glasses with those beautiful heels, and that nice clingy outfit? Just TOOOOOOOOOOO tacky! Quick...hie thee on to the fashon-police hotline....she's getting away at a rather fast canter!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

-Oki Alumni:old:

[OtisPMerriweather]

Yaah, my point is, the reason why Marines don't do certain things is due to tradition a.k.a. "the way it's always been done". There doesn't have to be a Marine Corps Order against something for you to get your ass chewed for it. There's not a Marine Corps Order saying I gotta make sure my Marines get chow time everyday, but best believe, unless WW3 is goin on in Okinawa, there would be bitching up and down the chain if people didn't get "chow".

[Travis Bickle]

so am wondering if marines are threatened by or scared of umbrellas for some reason.

?

why do you have a condescending tone? i can, as well as others, smell it from a mile away in your post. its not funny.

the reason they do not carry umbrellas is because its just unprofessional civilian bs.

i have a question.

why dont airforce guys wear a rainbow on their hat, since half of kadena is out of the closet gay?

see how that condescending thing works?

there is way way too much unchecked douchebaggery on this forum.

[Old Timer]

why do you have a condescending tone? i can, as well as others, smell it from a mile away in your post. its not funny.

the reason they do not carry umbrellas is because its just unprofessional civilian bs.

i have a question.

why dont airforce guys wear a rainbow on their hat, since half of kadena is out of the closet gay?

see how that condescending thing works?

there is way way too much unchecked douchebaggery on this forum.


DOUCHEBAGGERY :grin1:

[P_chan]

LIke I said, I have three umbrellas in my car. But I don't use a single one when I'm in uniform. Why? Because I don't care if my uniform gets wet, or I have my gortex to keep me dry.

why dont airforce guys wear a rainbow on their hat, since half of kadena is out of the closet gay?

This coming from one of the biggest homophobes on JU!

[vvloc]

This coming from one of the biggest homophobes on JU!

Once again, I find myself agreeing with P_chan with one slight caveat. I think trinkle's homophobia is linked to penile dysfunction, penis envy, or both.

He does use the word "cute" a lot when referring to men.

[okisteve]

Once again, I find myself agreeing with P_chan with one slight caveat. I think trinkle's homophobia is linked to penile dysfunction, penis envy, or both.

He does use the word "cute" a lot when referring to men.

Or "tube steak cravings". I noticed the jealous tone when he was talking about TP on the other thread he crawled into. By the way, aren't tube steaks sort of "po'boy' slang for hot dogs, not what's up Bickle's ass in his dreams?

[Isaak Brodsky]

...
the reason they do not carry umbrellas is because its just unprofessional civilian bs.

...

would, say, walking down the sidewalk be another kind of unprofessional civilian form of b.s. as well? or would you expect civilians to march like marines on garrison?

[P_chan]

Just because it was in a "letter", doesn't make it policy. I've seen that letter for quite some time. It's just the OPINION of his. Not POLICY.


Whaaaaat? You mean there are people who don't let the military think for them?

[Crazysix]

Whaaaaat? You mean there are people who don't let the military think for them?

REBELS I SAY TO GITMO WITH THEM:mir31:

[eodmatt]

Quite bloody right! Umbrellas are a civilian ... er ... thing, like male ear rings and other signs of weakness and the degeneration of society.

(Signed: W. Horse. Col (ret'd) )