This is going too far folks!

[A'Sharad]

UCLA Researcher Targeted for Death

Dr. Arthur Rosenbaum, a pediatric opthalmologist, has been targeted for death by the "Animal Liberation Front." Rosenbaum has been targeted before by activists for his research on rhesus monkeys and cats at UCLA's Jules Stein Eye Institute.

A makeshift gasoline bomb was placed under a vehicle at Rosenbaum's L.A. home on June 25th, and a recent statement claiming to be from the Animal Liberation Front confesses to the attempt. The bomb failed to detonate due to a faulty fuse.

The statement, published online by the North American Animal Liberation Press Office, also vowed further attacks against Rosenbaum.

Source: www.laweekly.com

[newvalor]

This adds to the statement that AR activists are extremely violent with thier purpose of protecting animals at the cost of other human lives. Rediculous, I hope they catch the people and use them for further testing.

Why can't we just use AR's as guinea pigs instead since they don't want animals harmed. that way it's a win/win situation, we test new drugs they take one up the A@@ for thier so-called cause.

[P_chan]

Like I've been saying all along. Extreme animal rights 'liberators' are completely insane. This is just proof that they care more about animal life then human life. Why would you even remotely think like that?

Wonder if their own life was on the line if they would have a sudden change of heart?

Bunch of nut jobs!

[Muku]

Well now I would love to hear what our own local AR activist has to say in defense of this group and their actions?

I hope that Bush targets this group as terrorists as well, because that is exactly what they are.:cursing:

[Fonze]

Well now I would love to hear what our own local AR activist has to say in defense of this group and their actions?

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I would to, but I'm sure we'll hear som kind of past example of some other situtation and once again as other AR's say the fight must be one at all cost.

[A'Sharad]

Well now I would love to hear what our own local AR activist has to say in defense of this group and their actions?

I hope that Bush targets this group as terrorists as well, because that is exactly what they are.:cursing:

Portland: Final Sentencing Hearing Held in Case of Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and Animal Liberation Front (ALF) for Acts of Eco-Terrorism in Five Western States

Ten defendants were sentenced for numerous arsons committed from 1996 through 2001 resulting in damages exceeding $40 million. The defendants acknowledge they and their group (known as “The Family”) sought to influence and affect the conduct of government, private business, and the civilian population through force, violence, sabotage, mass destruction, intimidation, and coercion. This is the largest case of environmental extremists ever prosecuted in the United States. Full Story

[newvalor]

Portland: Final Sentencing Hearing Held in Case of Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and Animal Liberation Front (ALF) for Acts of Eco-Terrorism in Five Western States

Ten defendants were sentenced for numerous arsons committed from 1996 through 2001 resulting in damages exceeding $40 million. The defendants acknowledge they and their group (known as “The Family”) sought to influence and affect the conduct of government, private business, and the civilian population through force, violence, sabotage, mass destruction, intimidation, and coercion. This is the largest case of environmental extremists ever prosecuted in the United States. Full Story

well if 10 is the largest they've prosecuted so far, then hopefully there will hundreds to follow. Atleast we know they're being put into the terrorist cliche, and even though we are slightly busy with other things eventually I hope we can do something about those extremists.

[A'Sharad]

The ALF was named as a terrorist threat by the United States Department of Homeland Security in January 2005.[10] In hearings held on May 18, 2005 before a Senate panel, officials of the FBI and ATF stated that "violent animal rights extremists and eco-terrorists now pose one of the most serious terrorism threats to the nation," adding that "of particular concern are the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF)."[52][53]

[DougP]

Perhaps we should be doing all our medical research on those maniacs.
Better yet we should grill 'em. Heard vegetarians aren't as gamey *devilish laugh*:)

[Brett23iu]

Not cool its his job I am sure he loves animals

[pardus]

Wasn't this guy exposed as having planted the bomb under his own car?

[DougP]

Wasn't this guy exposed as having planted the bomb under his own car?

I don't think so. Its a pretty legitimate story and had quite a bit of coverage on it. Haven't found any coverage on the story that would suggest it was a fake.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Wasn't this guy exposed as having planted the bomb under his own car?

I am not sure if this was the story where someone faked the bomb under their car and blamed it on ARists, but I do recall there were a few of those.

I know if I were thinking chess, and millions of dollars in research grant money were on the line and someone's family's comfortable livelihood, and if they did not have a very high moral code, and their lab/university was constantly being infiltrated by ARists and their work was threatened and they wanted extra protection from law enforcement; the smart chess move if they thought they could get away with it would be to create a threat and thereby bring their detractors into focused investigation and bring in more tax funded law enforcement for the security of their operations.

I can see how a coniving person could plant a bomb under their car for their benefit. The scenario is not so far fetched. IN fact there is a legal term for such a thing/crime -- it is called framing.

[DougP]

I'd say both scenarios are very likely. ARist planting a bomb under the guys car, or the guy having someone plant the bomb under his car. I wouldn't rule either one out.

[Muku]

I'd say both scenarios are very likely. ARist planting a bomb under the guys car, or the guy having someone plant the bomb under his car. I wouldn't rule either one out.
Yet if you think about it, this is similar to right to lifers staking out abortionists too. Both are a form of terrorism, using scare tactics to advance their own agenda's.

[Fonze]

I am not sure if this was the story where someone faked the bomb under their car and blamed it on ARists, but I do recall there were a few of those.

I know if I were thinking chess, and millions of dollars in research grant money were on the line and someone's family's comfortable livelihood, and if they did not have a very high moral code, and their lab/university was constantly being infiltrated by ARists and their work was threatened and they wanted extra protection from law enforcement; the smart chess move if they thought they could get away with it would be to create a threat and thereby bring their detractors into focused investigation and bring in more tax funded law enforcement for the security of their operations.

I can see how a coniving person could plant a bomb under their car for their benefit. The scenario is not so far fetched. IN fact there is a legal term for such a thing/crime -- it is called framing.


I like how you respond to this TP and throw it back at this guy. Wouldn't a better chess move be that these pieces of shit from alf did do this and blamed the guy of doing this for the reasons you pointed. I mean they are'nt doing it for grant money but for continued support of there terrorist activities and there high and mightier than human animal friends.


I also like how through this whole thread you didn't write how if true it would be a shame and wrong of ALF or other AR who do this but instead assume that it wasn't them but him.

[pardus]

I also like how through this whole thread you didn't write how if true it would be a shame and wrong of ALF or other AR who do this but instead assume that it wasn't them but him.

This is quite true; if any "AR" activist did this, it would be a truly reprehensible act. As far as any violence does occur, it is extremely bad news and is basically disowned by the vast majority of AR supporters.

Why in the world would we advocate violence towards animals - humans are animals, are we not?

This is basically the same situation as the bombing of abortion clinics and murder of OB/GYNs. Do you really imagine that these are anything but freaks who happen to support the pro-life cause? Hopefully, not. And I hope people will give the same consideration to the animal rights cause.

[pardus]

I think, also, it's helpful to distinguish between ALF and the fringe groups ARMilitia and Justice Department. The latter two are closer to the factions fighting violently to end slavery in the US or colonialism in India or apartheid in S.Africa. There have always been groups like this, and I've even seen it suggested that Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela did not condemn them (I have not researched this enough to declare this confidently though).

Here's what the ALF website has:

In Defense of the A.L.F. (http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Activist%20Tips/RodFromJail.htm)
in over 15 years of operation in America the ALF has yet to cause even one physical injury-let alone loss of life-in our campaign...

The ALF has never endorsed or participated in physical violence nor will it ever. The ALF does not support actions with the intent of slightest risk of causing physical injury or loss of life and our ability to avoid such violence in years of operations is no coincidence. We are not fighting a violent war, but fighting with aggressive nonviolence to end the one against nonhuman life.
...
Far from compromising the principles of non-violence, the ALF's actions have and always will be those of a highly morally disciplined group of caring human beings, whose efforts would be hypocritical if they ever sanctioned physical violence. The ALF exists in part to provide an avenue of freedom for those innocent beings the animal rights movement is unable to rescue legally at this time. The ALF brings hope when others feel hopeless. For the peaceful warriors of the ALF, nonviolent direct action to save lives remains not our choice, but every enlightened human being's obligation.

[DougP]

I think, also, it's helpful to distinguish between ALF and the fringe groups ARMilitia and Justice Department. The latter two are closer to the factions fighting violently to end slavery in the US or colonialism in India or apartheid in S.Africa. There have always been groups like this, and I've even seen it suggested that Ghandi, Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela did not condemn them (I have not researched this enough to declare this confidently though).

Here's what the ALF website has:

In Defense of the A.L.F. (http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Activist%20Tips/RodFromJail.htm)

I smell.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/DougGTR32/bsflag.gif

[pardus]

whatever. nice smileys y'all have, here...

[Maggie]

Well now I would love to hear what our own local AR activist has to say in defense of this group and their actions?

I hope that Bush targets this group as terrorists as well, because that is exactly what they are.:cursing:

I have nothing whatsoever to say in defence of them.

They cause irreparable damage to the fight for animal rights.

They make people think that all AR'ists are also extremists, which isn't true.

They foster the opinion that AR'sts think human life is cheap, which also isn't true.

They really FVck me off.

They demean everything I strive for, and aren't even on the same planet as I am.

What hope is there for people to take AR'sts seriously, when they extremists can be used to counter any reasonable argument :cursing:

Maggie

[Maggie]

I'd say both scenarios are very likely. ARist planting a bomb under the guys car, or the guy having someone plant the bomb under his car. I wouldn't rule either one out.

I think that when the ALF assume responsibility for acts of violence, there's a code the authorities use for recognition. In the same way that they know what is a legitimate IRA bomb threat, and what isn't.

Unless it was someone acting completely alone, it would be difficult to mistake them for the real thing.

The reason we don't advertise our work, is because we don't want to be high profile and targeted by the ALF.

Regardless of how hard I work towards Animal Rights, the fact that all my dogs work (or play as they see it) I would be considered to be abusing my dogs rights.

Despite the fact that my dogs are domesticate, and as such could not survive in the wild, they still have the instinct to hunt for food (reward). I have replaced part of that need by providing regular food, and replaced the search for prey with the search for my choice, coupled with their reward.

This makes me unpopular with purists, who would if they could remove my dogs (over my dead bloody body).

The fact that my dogs natural instincts are being catered for, that they are all very much loved, are fed the best I can afford, kept in superb condition with regular veterinary attention, and live in extremely good conditions would mean nothing in my defence.

I believe strongly that we have a responsibility to the animals we use. I would like to see animals being bred for food abolished, there's no true need for it, no matter what argument is put forward.

BUT. Does this make me a hypocrite?

Maggie :cool:

[dk]

Maggie, you are my hero. :)

[Maggie]

Maggie, you are my hero. :)

Thank you.

I'm embarrassed now:o

Maggie