Marines, soldiers, and sailors need to stop whining about deployments

[TheNoNamedOne]

It seems like every time I open the newspaper, read a magazine article, watch a news program of some sorts, etc... there are soldiers or their wives whining about their husbands' (or wives') long deployments because of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Come on! Stop whining. Just do your job and keep doing it until it is done -- i.e. winning the war on terror, or at least the Iraqi war, or in finally defeating the Taliban. Geesh!

"18 months is too long for deployments." "Two years is too long of a deployment." "This is my 2nd deployment." "This is my 3rd deployment." "This my 4th deployment." "You stop lost gapped me. Stop it." "You extended my tour." ad infinitum ad nausium

Hey, you volunteered for a job that could mean war, and war is quite frankly -- Hell. Suck it up.

WW2 units did not get sent back home for the most part until the war was finished. Soldiers, Marines, and Sailors didn't get to go home after each island they took in the Pacific as they hopped their way to the Philipines and Okinawa. No, they kept on being pushed forward to the next battle until the war was over.

Man, it seems like servicemen of today are weenies when it comes to fighting. Get on with it and stay put until you finish your jobs, and the country's mission of victory in this war.

[Muku]

It seems like every time I open the newspaper, read a magazine article, watch a news program of some sorts, etc... there are soldiers or their wives whining about their husbands' (or wives') long deployments because of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Come on! Stop whining. Just do your job and keep doing it until it is done -- i.e. winning the war on terror, or at least the Iraqi war, or in finally defeating the Taliban. Geesh!

"18 months is too long for deployments." "Two years is too long of a deployment." "This is my 2nd deployment." "This is my 3rd deployment." "This my 4th deployment." "You stop lost gapped me. Stop it." "You extended my tour." ad infinitum ad nausium

Hey, you volunteered for a job that could mean war, and war is quite frankly -- Hell. Suck it up.

WW2 units did not get sent back home for the most part until the war was finished. Soldiers, Marines, and Sailors didn't get to go home after each island they took in the Pacific as they hopped their way to the Philipines and Okinawa. No, they kept on being pushed forward to the next battle until the war was over.

Man, it seems like servicemen of today are weenies when it comes to fighting. Get on with it and stay put until you finish your jobs, and the country's mission of victory in this war.

Do you make posts like this purely to antagonize people?

[DougP]

I haven't said anything bad about doctors and their profession yet iirc. I don't really want to start talking poorly of a profession I have no knowledge and experience in either. Sometimes you really have to walk a mile in someones shoes to understand where they're coming from. I guess that means I'll have to watch what I say about AFN from now on LOL :)

When I was in the service I had some gripes here and there. I didn't mind long deployments but then again I was single. What did fluster me was the military was getting soft. Boot camp was getting lax and the new wave of soldiers coming in were starting to show just how soft it really was.

I don't think there are professions out there that require you to stop being human. I remember my oath. I took it again when I reenlisted years ago.
No where in it does it say you can't complain. You are in fact still an American and iirc we americans complain a hell of a lot myself included.:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

C'mon so you are away from home and mommy is not here to hold your hand GET OVER IT!!!

Exactly, Guyjin! I mean look at all the whiners bitching about their tours.

"Oh, my husband has been in Iraq and Afghanistan and hasn't seen his child born and first birthday because of that."

Get over it! WW2 soldiers didn't fight until the war was over so that spoiled soldiers of today could cry and complain about being away for 18 months or 24 months. They fought until the job was done.

Damn right, they did!

[Muku]

its the NEW MILITARY!!!
I remember hearing Okinawa was a hardship tour when I first came here then later I said whats so hard about it!!
You leave your car back home it will be there when you return!
You leave your girlfriend she might let your best "friend" put his hand in the honey pot....big deal she is replaceable!!!
If you have a wife I can understand but like they told me in basic if the Marine corps wanted you to have a wife they would have issued you one!

C'mon so you are away from home and mommy is not here to hold your hand GET OVER IT!!!
Before getting too excited and rolling off your rocker please take a look at who made the OP before going off here.

The OP's intent from my perspective is just to PO a bunch of military people here. Let's all rise above the bull and let him make his rants, then be nice and condescending and reply, here nice doggy, :rolleyes:

He is making complaints as a third party ad naseum.:barf:

[DoctorP]

I don't see anyone on this board whining though. I did 2 tours...no big deal. That is what I was being paid to do at the time.

[DougP]

Exactly, Guyjin! I mean look at all the whiners bitching about their tours.

"Oh, my husband has been in Iraq and Afghanistan and hasn't seen his child born and first birthday because of that."

Get over it! WW2 soldiers didn't fight until the war was over so that spoiled soldiers of today could cry and complain about being away for 18 months or 24 months. They fought until the job was done.

Damn right, they did!

They also had an country backing them up and not divided over whether to bring them back home or keep them there fighting.:army: or protesting at their fallen comrad's funerals, or throwing things at them after they've returned from war calling them baby killers... Your right the military has changed so has the rest of America:rolleyes:

[TheNoNamedOne]

And on top of that the conditions are a lot better compared to many years ago!!

Again, Guyjin, right on the money. Surely, you, as well as me, have seen spots on AFN tv where the soldiers in Iraq have lots of MWR weightlifting equipment, PXes with a crapload of stuff to buy, big screen tvs, pool tables etc...

Much better conditions I guess translates into much more whining to go home.

[DougP]

Not all places soldiers are going to have the nice things you've seen on TV.
Come on, using AFN as a reference:rolleyes:

Yes some people do have it very easy compared to what others have had in the military.

But seriously what I'm trying to figure out is how is whining about a select few service members any better than the select few complaining about hardships?

[DoctorP]

Again, Guyjin, right on the money. Surely, you, as well as me, have seen spots on AFN tv where the soldiers in Iraq have lots of MWR weightlifting equipment, PXes with a crapload of stuff to buy, big screen tvs, pool tables etc...

Much better conditions I guess translates into much more whining to go home.

OMG...lol! ROFL! Are you that gullible?:eek:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Servicemen, by complaining are showing their weaknesses to the enemy. That is helping the enemy. ONe should never let their enemy know they are weak and wanting to leave the battlefield. It is a sign of lack of fortitude.

After all, many critics who are complaining about war policy are accused of being weak with their complaints and that that helps embolden the enemy, sending the message that we do not have the will to slug it out to the end. Those who engage in that kind of accusations should begin telling the soldiers and marines to stop snivelling and helping the enemy by showing their weakness.

[Muku]

OMG...lol! ROFL! Are you that gullible?:eek:

Do you know if TP has ever even served in the military?

[Fonze]

It doesn't matter cause he's apparently anti anything that has made america great. Only important things re what he believes in. He is a typical liberal ELITEST. He cannot be told anything or be taught something he knows all. His purpose is to educate us common folk with his mumbo jumbo.

[Fonze]

I do believe though that the soldiers should be out there till victory is achieved, but thats kinda hard with weenies like TP against an all out assault on pieces of shit terrorist. TP believes we should talk and be kind to them and understand them and use examples of our past to justify their struggle.

[DoctorP]

Do you know if TP has ever even served in the military?

I hear tell of a rumor that he did once...but then God shown a light unto him and told him "go forth and challenge all that I have put before you, lay down your weapons and seek peace for all creatures on Earth...then burn in hell!" :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

lol. God doesn't exist... but your dramatic depiction of my life sure is more exciting than what really happened to me. Man, I wish your version were true.

Snivelling whiners about their deployments and extensions are much more real than God.

"But, whyyyyyyyy do I have to deploy again? I don't waaanaaaaaaaaaa!"

[DoctorP]

I agree TP...just as real as people who seperate from service to keep from being deployed. Whiners = bad.

lol. God doesn't exist...

I dunno...he might. I thought until I was 12 years old that my name was Jesus Christ, and my brother thought his name was dammit! My mom was always saying "Dammit get over here" or "Jesus Christ, look what you did!" One day I was playing outside in the rain and my mother came to the door and said "Dammit, get in this house right now!" To which I replied, "But mom! I'm Jesus Christ!" :D

(thanks to Bill Cosby for that one! :thumbup:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

"But, I went to Iraq last year. Whhhhhhhaaaaay do I have to go again? It's not faaaaair!

Go ask my wife. She will tell you the same thing."

"Why does my husband have to go to Iraq again? He went laaaast year. I don't want him to go again. I wwwwwannnna him with me. It's hard on us. It's not faaair."

Boo hoo snivel snivel. Man, I am glad the freedom of the world in WW2 didn't rest in the hands of today's whiners.

[DoctorP]

Whoaaaaa! I have an idea! Why don't you go to Iraq to show all these whiners how they should act?

[DougP]

Where are you hearing this at? TV? AFN radio? Forums?

Whoaaaaa! I have an idea! Why don't you go to Iraq to show all these whiners how they should act?

very good idea:thumbup:

[Fonze]

He seems to be more sympathic to the freedom fighters(terrorist) feelings.

[DoctorP]

I was merely offering a solution. As we all know complaining does little, actions work miracles! Let's see some action TP!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Funny you guys. Keep feeding my threads.

Just reading a story in the Washington Post today and came across another story of soldiers whining about how they are getting shot at all the time with the situation not improving and their tours being too long. Man, don't they understand when they whine like that they are showing their weakness to the enemy.

C'mon you guys. Don't whine to reporters. You know they are gonna print it. And you housewives, don't open the door when 60 Minutes comes a knockin' to interview you about how you feel about long deployments. I mean, you are on the team! Part of the military family (though they will kick you out of the family a year later after your husband is killed ["time to move off base and turn in your ID card, Widow Jones. We are divorcing you. Downsizing you out"])!

[socalheart]

From what I've seen and read, the reservists are the ones who have the most to complain about deployments. Admittedly, I don't know the wording of a reservist's contract. I am familiar with the weekend warrior and two weeks a year bit though. Does the reservist status change when called to active duty?

I've heard that publicly complaining about the military and stuff is illegal for an officer, but enlisted can complain and do so. It can be a morale buster to complain as much as we hear, but they have the right to do so. It's sorta one of the rights they're fighting for after all.

I agree that they should stop letting their complaints be broadcast over news though. It's not about hiding the truth of their feelings for me. It's more about the negative impact it has on the other deployed military personnel.

[DoctorP]

Some reservists have a right to complain. Many make less money when having to serve active duty. Me...I was covered when I was a reservists. I worked for the power company, and they paid our salary as normal if we were called to active duty...they considered it training (depending on the type of MOS you had!) So when I was called up, I received two checks...one from my employer and one from the government. But not all reservists are like that.

[DoctorP]

Whoaaaaa! I have an idea! Why don't you go to Iraq to show all these whiners how they should act?

I was merely offering a solution. As we all know complaining does little, actions work miracles! Let's see some action TP!

Don't forget these posts TP...I reposted them here so you can read them easily! :thumbup:

[TheNoNamedOne]

Funny you guys. Keep feeding my threads.

Just reading a story in the Washington Post today and came across another story of soldiers whining about how they are getting shot at all the time with the situation not improving and their tours being too long. Man, don't they understand when they whine like that they are showing their weakness to the enemy.

C'mon you guys. Don't whine to reporters. You know they are gonna print it. And you housewives, don't open the door when 60 Minutes comes a knockin' to interview you about how you feel about long deployments. I mean, you are on the team! Part of the military family (though they will kick you out of the family a year later after your husband is killed ["time to move off base and turn in your ID card, Widow Jones. We are divorcing you. Downsizing you out"])!

Don't forget these, DrP. I've quoted them so you can read them easily.

Thanks for helping me keep the thread a top poster by mimicing your same style.

LMAO!

[DoctorP]

There is a k in mimicking...

the thread is not a top poster...only 31 replies!

[DougP]

If that's the case then yeah it kind of pisses me off to see them broadcast their complaints. Telling it like it is is one thing but being down right bitchy about having a bad day is another.

I'm not too keen on the criticism of service members in general. Mostly criticism of those over in Iraq(they're not all bad apples) Especially if it originates from a group that have no concept of what life is really like out there.

I have no real idea of which JU members have been in the military and who has not so I am not directing this post at anyone in particular. I am saying this though. If you are someone who hasn't spent a day deployed or in the military, think real hard about who you are criticising here. It would be like complaining about a meal someone made for you. Right after they spent an hour cooking it and you didn't even step one foot into the kitchen to help out.

My 2 yen.

Also on a funnier note: I was merely offering a solution. As we all know complaining does little, actions work miracles! Let's see some action TP!

I think TP would run straight to CNN complaining right after the unit he was in ran out of Vegetarian MREs :) I say this in good fun ofcourse

[TheNoNamedOne]

There is a k in mimicking...

LOL! You told me, didn't ya? LMAO. Maybe I am turning into a Fonze.

...the thread is not a top poster...only 31 replies!

Darn it! I knew your sharp eye would catch that. Hmmm...ok, I will reword it...

Thanks for helping to keep it in the "most recent posts" area. Do so long enough, and it well could be on its way to a top poster. Looking forward to your assistance in that regards. <wink>

[P_chan]

Servicemen, by complaining are showing their weaknesses to the enemy. That is helping the enemy. ONe should never let their enemy know they are weak and wanting to leave the battlefield. It is a sign of lack of fortitude.

After all, many critics who are complaining about war policy are accused of being weak with their complaints and that that helps embolden the enemy, sending the message that we do not have the will to slug it out to the end. Those who engage in that kind of accusations should begin telling the soldiers and marines to stop snivelling and helping the enemy by showing their weakness.

Well I've seen you complain about how we shouldn't be at war, so thanks for helping the enemy.

Do you know if TP has ever even served in the military?

*cough*....officer....*cough*:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

Btw, DougP, great post. Just as your posts were on the AR thread we were discussing in the other day.


Also on a funnier note:

I think TP would run straight to CNN complaining right after the unit he was in ran out of Vegetarian MREs :) I say this in good fun ofcourse

Ooooooh yes, indeeeeeeedydeed. I would need my veggie MREs like Jews need their Kosher food. No reason to discriminate. Right?

[DougP]

that's why they have them :)

[socalheart]

*cough*....officer....*cough*:D

:D HA! okay, true or not... this made me laugh aloud... but could totally believe it. heh. still chuckling...

[P_chan]

Funny you guys. Keep feeding my threads.

Yeah but there isn't much merit in the replies. Usually just people poking fun and about 80% of the populace against what your saying. IMO I wouldn't be too proud of that.

[TheNoNamedOne]

LOL! Yes, P_chan. Poking fun. We agree. But some seem to be getting their panties in a bunch and it bothers them -- look at post #2. A few others after that as well.

Sure isn't bothering me.

But really, the soldiers and marines are just whining waaaaay tooo much.

[P_chan]

call the whaaaambulance then:D

[TheNoNamedOne]

call the whaaaambulance then:D

Indeed! Send a sh:tload of them over to pick up all the ones over there in Iraq and Afghanistan. The media is full of all theirs and their wives crying and whining.

LOL!

[DoctorP]

Man...now both of you sound like children!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Man! 5 pages real fast and climbing Dr.P. Could it be on its way to a top posting/viewing thread? Keep feeding, DrP.

LMAO!

[TheNoNamedOne]

Man...now both of you sound like children!

Eeeerrrr pot meet kettle. <chuckle>

[DoctorP]

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[DoctorP]

Eeeerrrr pot meet kettle. <chuckle>

was that a racist black joke?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Man...now both of you sound like children!



OMFG! ROTLMMFLMFAO!!!

Dr. P -- the mature one!

[DoctorP]

I'm sorry...please provide the link to the quote where I said that? I'm waiting...you do know how to use the quote function right?

[TheNoNamedOne]

LOL! DrP doesn't understand sarcasm and parody! LMAO!

[socalheart]

why? are you whining about it? :D wouldn't call it a racist joke necessarily. more like a pothead joke. or anti-kitchenwareism. either way, can only whine about it if you're deployed with the kitchen sink too... gawd, it's getting late and we sound sillier and sillier. gonna go watch star trek.

[DoctorP]

No, I understand...but I would like to see a quote of where I said that. You do know how to quote don't you...or you could create a seperate thread to practice in.

[TheNoNamedOne]

why? are you whining about it? :D wouldn't call it a racist joke necessarily.

Yeah, Socal, Dr.P just has a hard time differentiating between a racist joke and one that isn't. Though he likes to refer to some people as monkeys. eeerrrr.

In the end, it is just a matter of him over reaching on the point.

[DoctorP]

Just twisting phrases like TP does.

[P_chan]

Indeed! Send a sh:tload of them over to pick up all the ones over there in Iraq and Afghanistan. The media is full of all theirs and their wives crying and whining.

LOL!

Yeah and I'll have one drop you off once they pick them up. See if they will put up with you over there.

[TheNoNamedOne]

No, I understand...but I would like to see a quote of where I said that. You do know how to quote don't you...or you could create a seperate thread to practice in.

Oh man, this is funny. The second time you asked this. This tells me two things,

1. You don't understand parody
2. Youu don't understand sarcasm.

I learned all that elementary school. Catch up will you!! Next time enroll in summer school.

[P_chan]

gonna go watch star trek.

and star trek isn't silly?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Man! 6 Freakin pages in such a short time and still going strong!

Yeeeeeeeehaw!!!! Get 'em doggies!!!!!

[P_chan]

I learned all that elementary school. Catch up will you!! Next time enroll in summer school.

Uh oh insulting someone's intelligence again but beating around the bush about it so he can cover his own ass.

Guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[TheNoNamedOne]

You always start the bs chatter DrP when it comes between you and I, but then you get all bent out of shape when I play your game on it and take you for a ride. Stop whining or get in the Waaaaaambulance.

[TheNoNamedOne]

You sure look sad thinking that Calling the kettle black is racist! LOL!

Not really worried about your friends, Dr.P. You must be a dumbass if you think I am. LMAO!!!

Get unbent, will ya!

[socalheart]

and star trek isn't silly?

oh yes, it has its moments, but it's that fake sci-fi kind of silly that grown men get paid to do. besides, patrick stewart is better looking than you lot. ;) heehee. gotta love that british accent... the southern accent is cute too. then again, i'm not gonna get pegged for whining. :p

[P_chan]

Not really worried about your friends, Dr.P. You must be a dumbass if you think I am. LMAO!!!

Guess he can learn a new trick. The LMAO stuff really cracks me up, kinda like talking to a 15 year old.

[P_chan]

oh yes, it has its moments, but it's that fake sci-fi kind of silly that grown men get paid to do. besides, patrick stewart is better looking than you lot. ;) heehee. gotta love that british accent... the southern accent is cute too. then again, i'm not gonna get pegged for whining. :p

Don't think I've ever watched a whole episode of star trek.

[DoctorP]

Please refrain from the personal attacks. Wow...looks like you bent! Back getting stuck to the chair? Back hair getting tangled?

[TheNoNamedOne]

Please refrain from the personal attacks.

Yes, so don't start up with "must be a dumbass" if you don't want it to come back and kick you.

Stop whining!

[Fonze]

Are You drunk TP i've never seen (read) you like this before.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Are You drunk TP i've never seen (read) you like this before.

lol. Nah. Just out of my normal form when I come down to the level of others with trading back and forth pokes. Usually I don't, but sometimes, well, I guess I indulge myself from time to time.

[Muku]

First off to TheProsecutor

You have lost any and all credibility from here on out to scold me or anyone else in your nit-picky manner as you did on This Thread Posts 33 and 35 (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077&highlight=mike+vick) about staying on topic.

And further more dont ever again use the excuse that you The mods and admin do not read all posts here. for dk and Doc P I believe that.

HOWEVER on threads started by you that is not the case and YOU very well know it.

FYI everytime from now on that I see threads that you participate on that go off topic like this and you do nothing about it, I will be reporting them and reminding you here on the open board so all can see your hypocrisy.:rolleyes:


Maybe I am turning into a Fonze
Which would be a compliment!

[IndyGal]

Back on topic....

I am a military wife and yes I do whine every now and again. Do I go to a media outlet....no. I do have my days where I do need to bitch a bit about my husband being gone again or not able to see something the kids are doing, etc. However, the majority of days I go along day to day knowing that each day brings me closer to him retiring. :thumbup: I consider myself a strong, self sufficient person that rarely needs to seek help for anything. I strongly believe in helping yourself. Everyone does have their breaking point from time to time.

I think that anyone in ANY profession will whine and bitch from time to time about their job. It is just human nature. Think of how many songs are written by musicians that "whine" about how much time they spend on the road. How about all the celebrities that "whine" about paparazzi and not having a private life? From my perspective I would say that they all should have known that was part of the territory. It always has been.

As for those who have served in other past wars..... I believe there were just as many "whiners" and "bitchers" then as there are now. There just weren't as many media outlets as today to air it out. :D

[TheNoNamedOne]

Some explanation on my posts and why they seem to be standing alone in this thread can be found HERE (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14632#post14632).

[Muku]

It is well known that towards the middle and end of WWII many in America were bitching and complaining as well about not having the "things" that they were accustomed to. Due to mostly to rationing. They had the easy life in the US and were not exposed to the horrors of what what happening overseas. Not in comparison to the wars of today that are televised daily.

Bitching and moan are historical parts of being in the military, hell even the Roman Legions bitched about having to fight in winter against the Germanic Hordes and British in England. Bitching and moaning about work is normal within the structure of the military.

In the military profession bitching and moaning is common and one of the easier ways to let off stress. These men and women in uniform have their asses in the line of fire. I for one do not blame them in any way shape or form for complaining.

Here is a direct question for TP; Have you ever served in any branch of the US military in an active duty status?

I think that anyone that is getting shot at, and people around them are getting killed, plus knowing that at least according to the media what I was doing was not appreciated by my country, hell yes I would complain, and I dont think any normal person would begrudge them that either.

But do people like him ever give credit where credit is do? After all the bitching and moaning is over the majority do their duty. And over 3,000 have given their lives as well, not including how thousands of injured and maimed. In my opinion any job that people have to face that gives them the "right" to a degree to complain.

In fact if they didn't complain I think there was something a bit wrong with them, because there is no one I know in the military, even when I was in the Marine Corp, that wanted to die.

[Hollarey]

[indent]"But, I went to Iraq last year. Whhhhhhhaaaaay do I have to go again? It's not faaaaair!

Go ask my wife. She will tell you the same thing."




TP, I have complained before. Only because there are many out there that havent been. Those that are single, but they whine and complain about going so then my husband steps up an goes. I dont complain about him going, I complain about why others havent. My husband has been 4 times. He volunteered 3 out of those 4 times. 2 times he went when I was pregnant. I told him to go during the early months of pregnancy so then he could return before I had our baby.
I knew what I was getting myself into when I married a military man. I knew there would be TDY's and after sept. 11th I knew there would be deployments. I accepted that and I support my husband 100% regardless. I never complain to him when he is gone because I dont want him worrying or thinking I cant handle him gone. I have heard wives cry their hearts out so much to their husbands squadron they ended up bringing them home. I would never do that because that looks bad on him. I tell those wives to suck it up. If they cant handle it then they shouldnt of married a military man.

[Muku]

Some explanation on my posts and why they seem to be standing alone in this thread can be found HERE (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14632#post14632).
FYI, I reported this post and the one it links to as you saw fit to abuse your status as a moderator here and closed the thread before anyone could reply.

This is an outright abuse of your status as a moderator. You can not handle having improper posts deleted, and choose to spam the board with pretty much the same information.

[DoctorP]

FYI, I reported this post and the one it links to as you saw fit to abuse your status as a moderator here and closed the thread before anyone could reply.

This is an outright abuse of your status as a moderator. You can not handle having your posts deleted, and choose to spam the board with pretty much the same information.

I closed the thread as there is no reason for anyone other than me (or dk) to reply.

[Muku]

I closed the thread as there is no reason for anyone other than me (or dk) to reply.
Thank you for writing that. It is rather easy to assume that TP did it himself, and I apologize to you for making that assumption. My mistake.

However the rest of the information regarding abuse of privledges and the other reported posts that I made stand on their merit alone.

Thank you for the consideration.

[TheNoNamedOne]

Do you make posts like this[reference to OP] (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14361&postcount=1) purely to antagonize people?

Not at all. Though, I do try to often make controversial discussion come about. I understand that that rankles some -- all controversy does. That is the nature of the word.

Now, if you were to look, at this thread and through all the intermittant fluff of poking at one another, you will see that some had an opinion to specifically add to the point I brought up in the OP. Finally you got around to addressing it, Socal did, DougP did, and Holliary did as well -- and there may have been one or two others.

Your recent post (post #70 (http://www.japanupdate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14638&postcount=70)) addressing the topic would have spoken better of yourself had you innitially posted it and encouraged more discussion to come about from that, rather than posting this question right after the OP.

Again, I can't help it if people are antagonized by controversial topics, but antagonization is not the goal -- sparking conversation that gets people excited about the topic is. But that excitement refers to passionate debate, not an invitation to derail the discussion or go off on people who just put forth their opinion.

My opinion was clearly that the whining over military duty time has reached a certain threshhold not ever seen reported in the media before. That is true. Just look at some of the news recently. A lot of bitching about tours of duty. Legitimate bitching or not, the topic of their bitching, too, is quite legitimate. You just tried to throw a wet towel over it right from the start --either because you didn't like the topic, or I hadn't worded it in a way that came up to the standards of what you thought was deserving of respect when broaching this topic. If the former, then your likes or dislikes on topics is irrelevant, if the latter then you need to grow a thicker skin, and besides, I am pretty sure the military can handle the topic and its style with their thick skin.

[Muku]

You managed to answer my question from the 2nd post on this thread now answer this one, inquiring minds want to know.

Here is a direct question for TP; Have you ever served in any branch of the US military in an active duty status?

I put it in red this time so you wouldnt miss it this time, I dont want to wait another almost 80 posts for your reply either.:rolleyes:


You just tried to throw a wet towel over it right from the start --either because you didn't like the topic, or I hadn't worded it in a way that came up to the standards of what you thought was deserving of respect when broaching this topic
Again making assumptions and attempting to put thoughts or ideas into peoples minds about why I wrote what I did. If you have a question ask, dont assume to even think or know the motivation behind why or what I wrote.

That is your mistake.

Which I might add you often do on not only this thread but others as well. Learn from your mistakes TP and you just might make a decent moderator yet someday. But I wont hold my breath waiting either.

Like it or not it was a valid question and you are the one that needs to grow a thicker skin if you cant handle having people question your motivation for creating threads like this. You would have been better served at replying to it earlier than waiting until nearly 80 replies were made in this thread.

My post speaks well on it's own merits without having or needing you to tell me or anyone else for that matter when or where it should have been placed.

[Fonze]

Agreed TP that it is a controversial topic, but someone that is already dead set that Iraq is lost does give people the perception that it was started to antagonize.
That said what percentage of the 150 thousand do complain? We also know the extreme bias of the big 3 mainstream news channels and their view of the war and mil. So I'm sure they were reporting to make the effort look lost, instead of reminding people of past american wars.

[Asshat]

I've held my tounge on this thread. Until now. Does TP's (or anyone's) history of military service change the fact that he observes the whining? He cited a couple of news stories. How does his service (or not) change that?

Also, I hear my share of whining too. It sickens me, because everyone of those people signed up. A lot of reservists signed up too, then act shocked when they get called. Some active duty folks enlist for the education bucks, then are shocked they will actually have to be a solder for it.

I don't base my comments or thoughts on news broadcasts, I base them on daily observation. Since I require a degree of anominity on this board, that is all I can say about it. As far as my military service, it was in excess of 20 years.

For those few who complain, do something about it. Vote in someone who will get your arses out of war. Don't sign up, take the bucks and the freebies, and then complain about your lot in life.

[Muku]

I've held my tounge on this thread. Until now. Does TP's (or anyone's) history of military service change the fact that he observes the whining? He cited a couple of news stories. How does his service (or not) change that?
From my point of view it does matter. Now that is of course up to the individual and how they choose to view this topic.

I have my reasons for asking and they are valid as well, whether you or anyone else chooses to agree with them is not the point. I will explain the reasons when he chooses to answer.:D

Also, I hear my share of whining too. It sickens me, because everyone of those people signed up. A lot of reservists signed up too, then act shocked when they get called. Some active duty folks enlist for the education bucks, then are shocked they will actually have to be a solder for it.

I don't base my comments or thoughts on news broadcasts, I base them on daily observation. Since I require a degree of anominity on this board, that is all I can say about it. As far as my military service, it was in excess of 20 years.

For those few who complain, do something about it. Vote in someone who will get your arses out of war. Don't sign up, take the bucks and the freebies, and then complain about your lot in life.

First off I think by the nature of where we are living people are going to be exposed to more of the bitching and whining in comparison to a person living stateside and not being around the military.

I also agree about making their votes count as well, that is where in my opinion it starts and ends.

I kind of figured you for being either active duty or former military.:D Thank you for sharing that bit of information as well.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I've held my tounge on this thread. Until now. Does TP's (or anyone's) history of military service change the fact that he observes the whining? He cited a couple of news stories. How does his service (or not) change that?

That is right, Uminchu. It is irrelevant to the observation. Uchinamuku is under the obligation to show how it is relevant or even a valid point to bring up. He thinks it is ok for him to do so after my revealing whether or not I have served.

What he doesn't grasp is that he can make his point merely by addressing both cases, in a way such as: "If yes, then blah blah blah...", "If no, then blah blah blah..." The thing is, he also knows that by doing it that way he cannot make it personal, and that is what he'd really like to do with his line of questioning.

If I were to say yes, then the next question would be, "were you in an office job or combat related? Was it time of war or peace? Were you an office pogue in time of war? Were you an infantry man in time of peace or war? Were you deployed in peace, in time of war... blah blah blah....ad nausium?"

Again, all irrelevant to the observation of my OP from media, and indeed, Uminchu, your observation from listening to those groaning in real life around you.

Uchinamuku falls short again on grasping what and where the debate is. It is not the messenger. It is the message.

[Muku]

That is right, Uminchu. It is irrelevant to the observation. Uchinamuku is under the obligation to show how it is relevant or even a valid point to bring up. He thinks it is ok for him to do so after my revealing whether or not I have served.

Nice try, I have no obligation to write anything. Cute better luck next time.

[Asshat]

your observation from listening to those groaning in real life around you.

We used to have a saying: "A bitching Marine is a happy Marine." It was always tounge in cheek of course, since there is always stuff to complain about.

What gets to me is the recruiters promise 16,000 of our tax-payer dollars to folks who enlist with the explicit knowledge there may be war, lousy chow, and cold showers. And the enlistee complains, in utter shock and amazement that he or she actually has to make good on the contract.

As my DI said a few hundred times, "We never promised you a $%& rose garden!"

[TheNoNamedOne]

TP, I have complained before. Only because there are many out there that havent been [deployed]. Those that are single, but they whine and complain about going so then my husband steps up an goes. I dont complain about him going, I complain about why others havent. My husband has been 4 times. He volunteered 3 out of those 4 times. 2 times he went when I was pregnant. I told him to go during the early months of pregnancy so then he could return before I had our baby.

I knew what I was getting myself into when I married a military man. I knew there would be TDY's and after sept. 11th I knew there would be deployments. I accepted that and I support my husband 100% regardless. I never complain to him when he is gone because I dont want him worrying or thinking I cant handle him gone. I have heard wives cry their hearts out so much to their husbands squadron they ended up bringing them home. I would never do that because that looks bad on him. I tell those wives to suck it up. If they cant handle it then they shouldnt of married a military man.

Hollarey, what can I say to all that? Just freakin EXCELLENT! Not only are you the model wife for those deployed with your attitude as such, but you basically said everything I have been saying. And here now it is coming from the wife of a military person! Great!

And obviously you, like Uminchu, see and hear the whining, too! I see and hear it from the media. Your story just confirms the facts that there is a lot of whining going on and that the media is reporting on it accurately.

Thanks for underscoring everything I have put forth.

[IndyGal]

And obviously you, like Uminchu, see and hear the whining, too! I see and hear it from the media. Your story just confirms the facts that there is a lot of whining going on and that the media is reporting on it accurately.

I don't think anyone has disputed that there is whining going on, but not to the levels you are making it out. I surely wouldn't base my opionions on the media. Of course they are going to put those active duty, reserves and the spouses on complaining of their hardships. That is mainly what is put out there and every other negative thing about Iraq and Afganistan.

It is seldom that the positive things going on are shown. The negative has always been more concentrated on. Especially with an election year coming up.

Military wives for the most part are some of the strongest people you will ever meet. It seems for the most part the problem ones are those who are young and new to military life. It can be a big adjustment. It is up to us "seasoned" wives to help them out.

[Asshat]

Military wives for the most part are some of the strongest people you will ever meet.

Yep, that's what it says on AFN. My Aunt was the strongest woman I've ever met. She could strip a willow and whip my a55 quicker than the second strongest woman- my grandmother. They used to pick me up from school and take me hunting.

I never heard them whine about anything.

[Hollarey]

It seems for the most part the problem ones are those who are young and new to military life. It can be a big adjustment. It is up to us "seasoned" wives to help them out.


Yes, this is very true. I suppose I have become more tolerable because I have been a military wife for 8 years. But then again, I look back to when we first got in and I dont remember complaining as much as I have heard many other wives complain. The biggest thing I have complained about are the other military wives and how freakin' shaddy and petty most of them are. With each TDY and deployment is a break for us. It makes us stronger as a couple to be away from each other at times. When he returns, it's like that first time all over again.

Back on topic though, it pisses me off to hear a soilder or wife complain about having to deploy but what can you do. I complain when I hear my husband is taking the spot of someone else that cried like a bitch to get out of it. Nothing I can do about it though. As I said before, I suck it up and live with it. I just count down the days till his return and love him daily regardless if he is here or not.

[Muku]

Back on topic though, it pisses me off to hear a soilder or wife complain about having to deploy but what can you do. I complain when I hear my husband is taking the spot of someone else that cried like a bitch to get out of it. Nothing I can do about it though. As I said before, I suck it up and live with it. I just count down the days till his return and love him daily regardless if he is here or not.

More power to you and it has to be great for your husband to know that you are backing him 100% too.

I hope he and all stay safe.

[IndyGal]

Yes, this is very true. I suppose I have become more tolerable because I have been a military wife for 8 years. But then again, I look back to when we first got in and I dont remember complaining as much as I have heard many other wives complain. The biggest thing I have complained about are the other military wives and how freakin' shaddy and petty most of them are. With each TDY and deployment is a break for us. It makes us stronger as a couple to be away from each other at times. When he returns, it's like that first time all over again.

Yes there are those you just want to slap Hollarey, LOL. Yea, I wasn't a complainer either when my hubby first joined. I saw my fair share of wives that thought they could go and be mouthy to their husband's superiors...too funny. I would have to agree I do get VERY irritated with those that don't do their share. I can't tell you how many deployments my husband has been on due to the active duty member or the spouse weasling out of it. It was like that for us when he went to Iraq last summer. We literally had a week notice that he was going due to some dumbass. It truly does make a marriage stronger and reminds you not to take your spouse for granted and appreciate them!

[Richard Burns]

Hey **** you TheNoNamedOne!!!!!

Our servicemen have every right to bitch if they want too. The whole way deployments work is ****** up. You have guys that never been that don't get to go and other Gus that been there 2 or 3 times if not more.

The Army goes there for over a year. I forgot how long the others go.

A lot of our military is overworked and deployed way too many times.

I appreciate the fact tha those that did went wland took care of business. They have every right to vent, gripe and complain.

Failure to refrain from insulting the moderators will result in an infraction and lead to a ban.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ROR

[Richard Burns]

That person is no longer a mod on JU and is banned. I don't get it.

[RenaissanceMan]

One of my best friends is headed out for his 5th Army (long) tour. I pray for him everyday. Cheats on his wife, only been together with wife and child a total of 7 months in the last 5 years. And he is going back again.