Stem cell research

[Fonze]

I was asked by the TP to start a different thread about this issue.

I was trying to make a point that SOME not ALL animal rights people are liberals and lefties and these same people are all about embryonic stem cell research. Is breeding humans for research not worse than animals, but these people are usually for this.

I find it funny as others in the animal threads have posted and pointed out that these people use violence against man for not agreeing with there issues. Just more hypocricy from these groups.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I was trying to make a point that SOME not ALL animal rights people are liberals and lefties and these same people are all about embryonic stem cell research. Is breeding humans for research not worse than animals, but these people are usually for this.

Fonze, could you show us some links to support that there are people for breeding humans for research? I am doubting that you know what the term/phrase "breeding for research" actually refers to, let alone means and infers.

If you find that link, then please show us the real life connection you say exists between those groups and people you are referring to. Examples!

[DougP]

starting a stem cell line requires the destruction of a human embryo and/or therapeutic cloning. However, recently, it has been shown in principle that embryonic stem cell lines can be generated using a single-cell biopsy similar to that used in preimplantation genetic diagnosis that may allow stem cell creation without embryonic destruction.

So I guess in a sense its more like harvesting and not breeding.

[Fonze]

breeding was the wrong word , but the hypocricy of you and organizations you flaunt are true.
Im sure your for stem cell research or am i wrong?

[DougP]

Me? I don't care eitherway. If in doing so can have significant medical potential then yeah I suppose its ok as long as they're not ripping fetuses out of a mothers womb to do so.

[Fonze]

I agree with you completely dougp.
I just want to show the blind following of the people of these sometimes onesided groups.

[DougP]

Ah I see. I'm glad I don't belong to any group in particular. I don't go to church. I eat what ever I want when I want. Smoke cigarettes even though they're bad for me. I'd rather drive a sports car than a hybrid. A lot of things I do many special interest groups hate:)

[TheNoNamedOne]

Fonze, if stem cell research can be had without killing a life, that being which is a subject of a life, one that has sentience and conciousness that we know for certain (or with high probability know), then how is that comparable to those who are for animal rights or for those who want to protect animals from pain? What specific point is the point of hypocracy is there that you say exiists between the two topics?

I don't see it. Like DougP, said, it is not like those who support stemcell research are ripping babies out in order to do so. Stem cell research can also go forth with the use of placenta afterbirth, and cells cultured from embilical cords.

I think you need to do a little more research into it yourself, rather than putting forth the idea that babies are being killed for it. Or do you equate cells from afterbirth placenta and embilical cords that can multiply with babies and babies with sentience and a subject of a life?

I don't care if you do, but if you do, then you have to do a much better job at showing support that that somehow makes animal rightists hypocrites. For your information, though, there are many animal rightists who are anti-abortion and I would also say there are many who are against stem cell research. Knowing that, then how can they be hypocrites even by your strict standards?

You have still failed to show a connection that any of the major animal rights orgs are for stem cell research. I will tell you they do not take a position on it as their org's policy because they know that their members fall all over the spectrum on belief in that. The argument for AR is much larger than my particular belief or support or non support for stem cell research.

You need to try and focus on the general argument more, and less on my persona. Even if I am the BIGGEST HYPOCRITE in the world, that is just a failing on my part, and that does nothing to cut out the validity for AR, although you seem hard up on thinking that it does or would.

[Fonze]

thats all i wanted to hear is that u are, maybe not biggest , but a hypocrite non the less. Are u for EMBRYONIC stem cell research?.

I also never said an individual org is for that , but a whole lot of the people of that ideology probably are.

I will end this and all animal topics with this I think we should then clone animals for those reasons of food and testing since science was the find for their existence.

To the AR movements and groups I say u fight for a good cause to the point of only pets and animals in enviromental danger and when not violent towards humans ur cause will be just.

As for u TP u answered pretty quick except when i asked u about owning pets. It seemed liked you ran out to buy some so u wouldn't look weak on arguments u must win. anyways, ur a good disector of peoples post and only a good example giver of these topics.