The low down on work in japan

[Longtermgerm]

Hi. Im LTG up here in the mainland. Let me give you some advice from somebody who has resided in Japan for over 14 years, 17 counting military which I usually dont because SOFA counts for nothing according to the nice people at Tokyo/Yokohama/Kawasaki Immigration.

Base work: Get ready to stand in line behind hundreds, maybe thousands of applicants. Why? Dependants get first pick. Most of them sit around all day with nothing to do and the base commanders would like to keep them busy instead of banging somebody elses spouse. Allot of them do work hard, but others are just there to get some experience. So your behind them. Your also behind the retirees. There seems to be a good ole boy network, and the retirees make up the majority of it. From their perspective, some MSGT who was a supply guru for 20 years would make a mighty fine GS-7 so he jumps ahead of the line. So your the vet with the 5 pts preferance.What do you do? Well theres MWR and NAF. Mighty fine organizations indeed. You can drive that forklift and rake in that minnium wage all the while hoping to jump over to one of those GS or WS positions. You soon find that to get over to one of those holy grail GS positions you need connections, but the funny thing is everybody is connected so your competing with all of the base. Might as well throw DECA in the mix while we are at it, they are always looking for somebody to break their back for them. So you tire of all that. Whats out in the private sector? Well theres always that depedable Eikawai school. Ive never done that, and never will, but know plenty who did. Some actually stick with it. If you like being a paid clown all day and got the nerves for it, then maybe its for you. So the reader ask, whats your advice, LTG? My advice to you is to get a degree in something that will make you marketable.
Finance, Accounting, Management or Engineering. Japanese only want to use the foriegner for its labor or skills. This aint the states, there is little equality, even amoungst the Japanese. So get the degree and hit up all the recruiters. Language skills....hmmm, that ones tricky. Ive found that all you need is to understand and pick up the acting like a Japanese, then your in. Acting means acting like a child and understanding the group "wa". Ive seen many people with 1kyu Japanese get treated like dog poop and I decided why even bother with it anymore. Ok, now this is my take on what goes on up here. Im open to other ideas and suggestions.

[gatorade567]

I've seen a lot of the same thing. Many people ask me how I got my job out here. I tell 'em, work hard, be the best at what you do and get along with the right people. It's a tri-fecta. Just being the rabbit ain't enough. If all the turtles hate you then it won't matter how good you are. They will black ball you in a heart beat. Getting along, and getting the job done better then the rest is key. No body likes a show off. And decision makers notice the people who get things done. They do a crummy job of recognizing them at times, but then a key situation presents it's self and they are usually willing to lend their influence your way. You get ahead in life by collecting quality friends, not quality dirt bags. Be nice, support those around you. You don't have to be like the people around you, but you don't have to put them down either. Oh yeh, a little luck doesn't hurt either.

[dk]

I had a pretty easy time getting my job, thanks to some good word from friends. Fortunately for me, networking and systems administrators outnumber programmers probably a hundred to one... It's not like there were ten other programmers applying for the same job as me. In fact, there was only one other applicant. In the states. Asking to be flown over. :p

Be great at what you do, and don't be something that ten thousand other foreigners are doing and you shouldn't have as much difficulty.

I'd hate to be another techy or networking guy. It must be a bitch to get a job.

[Blues]

While LTG's post is very pessimistic, it does ring true that getting work as a non-native Japanese can have its own set of challanges. Japan doesn't have affirmative action laws to help keep foreigners in. Foreigners at times get paid less for the same work. Proficiency in the language is a help but really is a moot point at the end of the day as is being proficient in English is in the US, they'll lay you off even if you are JLPT1.

Probably the easiest job to get in Japan is a farmer as they are dwindling in size. I saw somewhere that a gaikokujin and his wife got a rent free in the country because they were willing to farm there.

Employment in Japan isnt impossible, but its not as easy as walking in the front door either.

[Tanimaga]

I've worked a NAF position for the past 15 years. Went from close to minimum wage, to a fairly comfortable 4k/month. I taught myself the skills to advance without being a kiss-ass or yes man. I worked a couple side jobs to help, and am close to opening a small business at home. The more time and energy dedicated to complaining, the less time and energy available to make money I suppose.

[Longtermgerm]

To all the do-gooders etc, I am just stating the truth and there is more to come. I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

[DougP]

Work is Hell:)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3oevn9OePyE/Ri5VsePcbCI/AAAAAAAAACg/IbtZZbvT9II/s400/WorkIsHell2.jpg

[P_chan]

To all the do-gooders etc, I am just stating the truth and there is more to come. I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

Sooooo because you make more money then anyone on the board then that means your word is golden?:confused:

[proudtobnotpc]

To all the do-gooders etc, I am just stating the truth and there is more to come. I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

blah blah blah:army:

[Tanimaga]

To all the do-gooders etc, I am just stating the truth and there is more to come. I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

These are old, tired subjects that have been exhausted on here before. Bring something new to the table.

[OtisPMerriweather]

It's a trade off. Wanna escape the States, got to put up with a little bullshit. Just think to yourself, if it wasn't for women (or a particular woman), how many would really be interested in working over here at all???

I've always wondered though. I've got a few friends that are ex-military (not retiree) civilians living in Okinawa, and almost to a man, they quit the military, but decide they want to stay in Japan, then they end up working a lot of bullshit jobs moving furniture and whatnot. They end up working twice as hard for half the money! I've never understood that logic. There are plenty of bullshit jobs to be had in the military that pay well...so why get out?

BTW, this not only applies to Japan, but in the states as well. It really goes on a lot in Hawaii. People get used to living there on a military paycheck and decide to get out and stay, but are surprised when they discover how quickly paradise loses its luster when you're working at Jiffy Lube.

[mikersoft]

I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved.

Probally, but who knows...:scratchchin:

[Longtermgerm]

Otis, you hit some good points. The problem is, however, that Japanese and other Asians expect equality in the U.S. while studying, working, or bumming around over there but they have no concept of it in their own country. So the gaijin community here in Japan does just what countries that were once colonies of Britian etc do, they hate on each other instead of helping each other out. Its a backstabbing enviroment, to each his own. I use the colony analogy because those who were repressed usually do it to each other once they get their freedom. But I do agree with you that the best place to get work experience is in the U.S. Ive got some good experience here, but it comes at a price. I never stay in one place very long. I pick up the skills and move on. Allot of the people on the base were once in the military like myself. In that enviroment your going to get paid whether your skilled or not, more or less. These days you can get driven out with pg. 11 or what not and some of those goofs use that same tatic on the GS side but thats another story. My point is that some of us bought into the promoted idea that GS work is the same as government work, that is you dont have to work and can get rank and all that goes with it. The government mindset and private sector are very different. One is paid with appropriated funds, the other gets their money (including my company) from sales and services. If you dont haul, you dont get paid, so you must get a loan. Allot of times, even if you do haul, you dont get paid. This is why I dont have any respect for government workers. Most are just there because they want something easy or to boss somebody. They have no skills and incapable of doing anything that requires skill. It doesnt mean I hate the government, I just hate idioits like the ones running shi-t on base.

[Longtermgerm]

Dude I noticed that on this thread I need a moderator to babysit me but on the others, my post gets up there right away. Dude that aint cool, are you like a GS 13 or something?

[DougP]

Dude I noticed that on this thread I need a moderator to babysit me but on the others, my post gets up there right away. Dude that aint cool, are you like a GS 13 or something?

Auto spam filter acts up sometimes. After it gets flagged one of us mods has to manually approve it, and no we don't get automatically notified evertime a post gets auto flagged for spam. :(

[gibbonboy]

To all the do-gooders etc, .... I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

Now that's funny. So what is it that you do to make your millions? :rolleyes: Certainly isn't proofreading. Thanks for the advice.

[dk]

Pssh. He's too smart for spelling. \:-)

[Blues]

grammar, who; needs <it> ?@

Picking the bottom of the barrel over speling... w00t

[Blues]

grammar, who; needs <it> ?@

Picking the bottom of the barrel over speling... w00t

[gibbonboy]

Double post, double thanks!

[Longtermgerm]

You know Im not feeling allot of love in the forum but its all good it goes with the territory. More to come....

[Tanimaga]

Exactly who are you writing this thread for? I think the majority on this forum has already experienced all this firsthand. The world isn't fair.. the system isn't fair.. hey, there's more to come..

If you are doing as well as you boast, especially in the economical situation we are in, consider yourself lucky.

Also, if you make that much more than most of the forum here, you guys hiring?

[OtisPMerriweather]

You know Im not feeling allot of love in the forum but its all good it goes with the territory. More to come....

It's just cause you use terms like "Jap" and "Japper"...half of these people have Japanese people in their family, and kind of view it as an insult. No biggie. I've been told I'm too sensitive about that sort of thing, so don't worry about it!

Anybody openly hostile towards your use of racial slurs just needs to toughen up, I say! Carry on, bro. :rolleyes:

[Longtermgerm]

Also, if you make that much more than most of the forum here, you guys hiring?
__________________

Yeah we hiring. You like 15 hour work days, fatigue and stress? Waiting in 3 hour traffic one way to the customers location? You an engineer?

If not, better stick to what your doing. Japanese dont give money out for doing nothing.

[mikersoft]

Dude that aint cool, are you like a GS 13 or something?

Pfftt.. The GS-13 pay scale max is too low for JU forum moderators!! :D

-Mike

[Longtermgerm]

It's just cause you use terms like "Jap" and "Japper"...half of these people have Japanese people in their family, and kind of view it as an insult.


Could give a shiot less. Been called every name in the book by Japanese. Cultural sensitivity and PC is an American thing, and it will work against you here. I blast back with something about Hiroshima and it usually gets them off my case. works for me and if something works, why fight it.
Ill give you an example. After traveling for 2 hours to get to a customers location, I got in the shop and was repairing their machine. One of the Japanese their was giggling and telling all the customers while I worked this shiot-
"Gaijin tsukatte ii desu ne, yasui shi...."
Now can you imagine saying the same thing in the U.S.? What am I supposed to do, just sit there and smile about it? Fuk that. I blasted that dude with some shit about pearl harbor and hiroshima. I got an warning for it but fuk it.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Words of wisdom!

[OtisPMerriweather]

LMAO! I just can't stop laughing!

You: Hey! Hey you! You cut me off!
Them: Go to hell gaijin!
You: Oh yeah?! Oh YEAH!?! Well, hope your grandmom died in Hiroshima!

Classic! Now THAT is verbal judo! :D

[macker]

Also, if you make that much more than most of the forum here, you guys hiring?
__________________

Yeah we hiring. You like 15 hour work days, fatigue and stress? Waiting in 3 hour traffic one way to the customers location? You an engineer?

If not, better stick to what your doing. Japanese dont give money out for doing nothing.

I work about 15 hours days now

Fatigue and stress are not normal?? These are my middle names!

Traffic, No problem, it means I'm just doing nothing!!

Yes, I'm an engineer.

Please PM with Job details... I'm is desperate need for a job?

[Tanimaga]

Also, if you make that much more than most of the forum here, you guys hiring?
__________________

Yeah we hiring. You like 15 hour work days, fatigue and stress? Waiting in 3 hour traffic one way to the customers location? You an engineer?

If not, better stick to what your doing. Japanese dont give money out for doing nothing.

Mechanic, foundry crab, and CNC machinist..

Seems like your burnt out.. maybe I'll stay where I am, since I have no stress or worries.. and I work when I want.

[proudtobnotpc]

Mechanic, foundry crab, and CNC machinist..

Seems like your burnt out.. maybe I'll stay where I am, since I have no stress or worries.. and I work when I want.

I feel the same way-I would hate to have to get a real job:thumbup:

[dk]

I feel the same way-I would hate to have to get a real job:thumbup:
I've got the best of both worlds. Easy work, good pay, great benefits. Could use an extra sixty grand per year or so, but who couldn't. :p

[uriel]

If not, better stick to what your doing. Japanese dont give money out for doing nothing.

tell that to their politicians...

[Tanimaga]

Oh.. and I forgot I just bought a nice Miller Dynasty welder.. I like to TIG too!

[Longtermgerm]

"Mechanic, foundry crab, and CNC machinist"

Cool. So dude where you work at? I got all those skills if your ever looking for somebody. Well Im more old school machinist but Im sure I could pick up the CNC. I also do AutoCAD. Never done commerical foundry work but I got my own backyard foundry going on. I melt aluminum castings from shit I pick up from work.

[Longtermgerm]

Well dude its like this. Everybody from the states will tell you " oh I done that, 15 hours aint shit or blah blah." See it aint all that, its the mental and that I cant describe for you being a forienger immersed in an Asian enviroment. It aint my thing but I deal with it.

[Tanimaga]

"Mechanic, foundry crab, and CNC machinist"

Cool. So dude where you work at? I got all those skills if your ever looking for somebody. Well Im more old school machinist but Im sure I could pick up the CNC. I also do AutoCAD. Never done commerical foundry work but I got my own backyard foundry going on. I melt aluminum castings from shit I pick up from work.

I don't do much of these things at work, mainly at my own shop.

What kind of backyard setup do you have?

[dk]

Autocad? Holy shit!

[DoctorP]

I feel the same way-I would hate to have to get a real job:thumbup:

Dude! You don't even work...I see you and the old lady all the time at Makeman! :thumbup1: lol

[DoctorP]

I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved.

I doubt it.



Otis, you hit some good points. The problem is, however, that Japanese and other Asians expect equality in the U.S. while studying, working, or bumming around over there but they have no concept of it in their own country. So the gaijin community here in Japan does just what countries that were once colonies of Britian etc do, they hate on each other instead of helping each other out. Its a backstabbing enviroment, to each his own. I use the colony analogy because those who were repressed usually do it to each other once they get their freedom. But I do agree with you that the best place to get work experience is in the U.S. Ive got some good experience here, but it comes at a price. I never stay in one place very long. I pick up the skills and move on. Allot of the people on the base were once in the military like myself. In that enviroment your going to get paid whether your skilled or not, more or less. These days you can get driven out with pg. 11 or what not and some of those goofs use that same tatic on the GS side but thats another story. My point is that some of us bought into the promoted idea that GS work is the same as government work, that is you dont have to work and can get rank and all that goes with it. The government mindset and private sector are very different. One is paid with appropriated funds, the other gets their money (including my company) from sales and services. If you dont haul, you dont get paid, so you must get a loan. Allot of times, even if you do haul, you dont get paid. This is why I dont have any respect for government workers. Most are just there because they want something easy or to boss somebody. They have no skills and incapable of doing anything that requires skill. It doesnt mean I hate the government, I just hate idioits like the ones running shi-t on base.

You know Im not feeling allot of love in the forum but its all good it goes with the territory. More to come....

See the above paragraph and learn to do some basic paragraph and formatting breaks. Hell, I didn't even want to read that crap.:thumbdown:

[P_chan]

I doubt it.







See the above paragraph and learn to do some basic paragraph and formatting breaks. Hell, I didn't even want to read that crap.:thumbdown:

Hey! Don't go getting a superiority complex like the "japs":rolleyes:

[Jazz]

and what does that mean??? the japanese i mean..

I think it's something about it being good to have the foreigner doing the work and it being cheap too. Muku, GT, or one of the others would know for sure.

[Longtermgerm]

and what does that mean??? the japanese i mean

Dude you better study up...lol. Or stay where your at.

[dk]

You're. You are. :p

[Okiman]

Autocad? Holy shit! What RoboCAD and TurboCAD did not make the list?
Edit: I just updated my resume.

[Richard Burns]

I've always wondered though. I've got a few friends that are ex-military (not retiree) civilians living in Okinawa, and almost to a man, they quit the military, but decide they want to stay in Japan, then they end up working a lot of bullshit jobs moving furniture and whatnot. They end up working twice as hard for half the money! I've never understood that logic. There are plenty of bullshit jobs to be had in the military that pay well...so why get out?


Let's see, being locked down for something someone else did, having a cerfew for something someone else did, duty, deployments, mass punishments in general, having to babysit grown ass adults etc.

luckly i'm making more money than base jobs and the military but it only finally came after bullshit mexican jobs for 3 years.

[Richard Burns]

what job do you know where YOU get yelled at because one of your troops (whose supposed to be a damn adult) shows up to work and didnt shave? lol

[Asshat]

Well, I just read that entire thread. I feel like I just listened to ramblings of a 15-year old video game player telling me how to troubleshoot the fuel injection system on my truck.

Oh well, time to go off to my cushy Gov job which consists of sitting at a desk and making the same as a USMC Sgt. LMAO!

We have an engineering department here who does some neat shit with autocad. They just gave me one of their presentations for the design of a metal componet that will revolutionize the 4K ammunition loading fork lift. :)

[Okiman]

what job do you know where YOU get yelled at because one of your troops (whose supposed to be a damn adult) shows up to work and didnt shave? lol

I have a job where guys will get yelled at if they did not shave and their bosses as well. It is not only Military life that requires a smooth shave to be able to fit into a mask for respitory protection.

[Tanimaga]

I'm a Rhino3D fan myself.

[Muku]

I think it's something about it being good to have the foreigner doing the work and it being cheap too. Muku, GT, or one of the others would know for sure.

Directly translated that's it.

BUT there is a nuance and condescending attitude behind it that says **** you too.

Obviously longterm hasnt quite learned the comeback to shit like that and either sucks it up or blows his top and just reinforces the stereotype of "gaijin" in Japan. :thumbdown:

Probably lives in a "gaijin" ghetto too I'll bet, and every weekend goes out drinking with his "gaijin" buddies and bitches about life and conspiracies of living in Japan.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Jolly Roger]

Directly translated that's it.

and every weekend goes out drinking with his "gaijin" buddies and bitches about life and conspiracies of living in Japan.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:[/I]

Hey what's wrong with bitching and conspiracy theory in Japan haha, you know "they" are reading this right now don't you....:grin1:

[steph_hyde19]

Yea its hard to find jobs here in japan. ex. for japanese to find a job on base. Because there are hundreds of dependants looking for jobs, and base is there only option. From my experience here on kadena it was very hard. Back in the states i had 3 jobs. Made buku money and everything was fine. Then i get married and have to live over here. It took me months to find work. and military doesnt get paid all that much. Ex. when u start out from nothing. I see more japanese employees working on base than americans.
But this is also Kadena. Not mainland. But this thread makes me pretty pissed off because yea dependants, and retirees should come first.. it was ur choice to move over here and live. Dependants, had to because of orders. And retirees deserve to. so blah blah blah blah

[Richard Burns]

Yea its hard to find jobs here in japan. ex. for japanese to find a job on base. Because there are hundreds of dependants looking for jobs, and base is there only option.

But technically dependants don't HAVE to work. You get housing, COLA etc.

Point is with smart spending habits you can live just fine even with an E-1 paycheck.

Locals on the other hand need those jobs, appreciate those jobs, etc

[Muku]

. I see more japanese employees working on base than americans.

I find that hard to believe.:scratchchin::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Dependants, had to because of orders. And retirees deserve to. so

So I guess dependents had guns put to their heads and were "forced" to come live here in Okinawa. Damn I feel sorry for them, what's the country coming to if people no longer have freedom of choice.:rolleyes:

[dk]

Maybe she only goes to restaurants.

There are far less Japanese than Americans where I work.

[Muku]

Maybe she only goes to restaurants.



Plus I was thinking that maybe just maybe she was missing all those "people" running around base in different uniforms.

Oh that's right they don't "work" there, everybody "knows" the military types dont work. They just happened to get sent here.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[steph_hyde19]

how much do you think we get paid? with and e-4 paycheck, yea its nice. But it isnt dandy. and as for that cola? woah if im not mistaken its pretty expensive over here, plus im sorry but the last thing i want to do is sit at home all day with no job, get fat, and feel like shit all day. With the jci, insurance road tax, cable, phone, food, dogs, clothing, gas, internet, those things do add up. And what about college? so im supposed to sit here and do nothing with my life but spend all my husbands money up? what about a savings account? the way i grew up is to make your own money and feel proud of your self. and let me tell u, the women that stay home that are dependents, end up becoming depressed, and or prego. im 19 years old, I need to be out and doing something than knocked up with a baby. Sorry bud, but these jobs on base are for us dependents. the jobs off base are for japanese. And i have nothing against the japanese culture. My mother was raised in tokoyo and korea for 17 years, my step gram is from mainland. so its whatever.

[steph_hyde19]

i do see more japanese woking here on base. GO to the commisary go to the bx, insurance place, yes all the restaurants, go to the clubs, ummmm im sorry there eyes look a bit slanted!

[steph_hyde19]

one more thing yea we didnt have a choice to come here. We were sent here with our husbands. who had orders. its a nice place dont get me wrong, but this topic is bullshit/.

[Muku]

how much do you think we get paid? with and e-4 paycheck, yea its nice.

But it isnt dandy. and as for that cola? woah if im not mistaken its pretty expensive over here, plus im sorry but the last thing i want to do is sit at home all day with no job, get fat, and feel like shit all day.

With the jci, insurance road tax, cable, phone, food, dogs, clothing, gas, internet, those things do add up. And what about college? so im supposed to sit here and do nothing with my life but spend all my husbands money up?

what about a savings account? the way i grew up is to make your own money and feel proud of your self. and let me tell u, the women that stay home that are dependents, end up becoming depressed, and or prego.

im 19 years old, I need to be out and doing something than knocked up with a baby. Sorry bud, but these jobs on base are for us dependents. the jobs off base are for japanese. And i have nothing against the japanese culture.



You have a rather difficult time understanding the differences between a necessity and a luxury.

Do you know why those base jobs are taken by the Japanese? It's because many dependents are unreliable and only stick around for a short time.

Next many dependents are a pain in the ass at work from what I have experienced and from what I have heard from both Japanese employees and American SOFA workers as well.

You think you deserve those jobs? Then get your butt qualified for them instead of thinking you deserve something due to your nationality.

My mother was raised in tokoyo and korea for 17 years, my step gram is from mainland. so its whatever


So what does this have to do with working in Japan or getting a base job?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Muku]

one more thing yea we didnt have a choice to come here. We were sent here with our husbands. who had orders. its a nice place dont get me wrong, but this topic is bullshit/.


When did you become the spokesperson for all dependents on base?

Your conversation went from the singular to plural in the space of one post.

If this topic is bullshit why are you participating?:scratchchin:

[Muku]

i do see more japanese woking here on base. GO to the commisary go to the bx, insurance place, yes all the restaurants, go to the clubs, ummmm im sorry there eyes look a bit slanted!

Damn woman I would love for you to walk off base.

You have a chip on your shoulder big time.:thumbdown:

And I think you should either get glasses or have the one's you are wearing checked.

[steph_hyde19]

Do you live on base? Are you even in the military? Or is your life only based on the forums?

[Richard Burns]

Steph FYI Muku was a Marine, he's been there and done that.
2nd why is he an asshole? Cuz he's not telling you what you wanna hear? Shit get over yourself.
FYI there are a TON of jobs for dependents. check out MCCS, 18th Services, Education Center, Commissary........ a shit load of openings. In fact dependents get preference over everyone else which imho is bullshit but that's another thread.
The jobs are there you just have to be aggressive.
Good Luck

[steph_hyde19]

those are the jobs that im taking about. but lemme see those are the ones taken by the japanese, have u been in hro?
theres about 800 files, for people trying to get jobs, get over myself? For what?

[steph_hyde19]

let me see a woman who is a dependent respond to this that has a job,
because theres about 4 out of 10 that do.

[Muku]

those are the jobs that im taking about. but lemme see those are the ones taken by the japanese, have u been in hro?
theres about 800 files, for people trying to get jobs, get over myself? For what?

Taken by the Japanese?

Exactly what job was "taken" by a Japanese person that you "feel" you were entitled to? Washing dishes at the club?

[TheGroaner]

Groan anyone?

[dk]

those are the jobs that im taking about. but lemme see those are the ones taken by the japanese, have u been in hro?
theres about 800 files, for people trying to get jobs, get over myself? For what?
Hey Steph. I know it's frustrating as it took forever for me to get my latest job (on base), but I assure you, if you go to work for the right place (*cough*MCCS*cough*) you will not have to worry about paying for college tuition as they have FULL tuition reimbursement. They also pay for your certs FULLY, and you work with highly intelligent people. You're on Kadena, so I'm not sure what 18th Services has to offer, but they're basically the Air Force countertype of MCCS. Just keep applying, and don't limit yourself to just one place. Does an Air Force wife have to work on Kadena, or are you allowed to work for MCCS?

The benefits are great, the hours are great, the people are great, and they're doing great things for military families on Okinawa. All in all, I can't imagine a better place to work. They really take care of their own.

Or so I hear. \:-)

Here's the jobs they are currently hiring for: http://www.mccsokinawa.com/jobs

If you are not permitted to work on a Marine Base (I don't see why not...), then sorry.

[steph_hyde19]

thankyou dk. but i have a job on kadena. And if i didnt i think i would just about die of boredom =(

[dk]

thankyou dk. but i have a job on kadena. And if i didnt i think i would just about die of boredom =(
How are their benefits? Do they give you tuition assistance? If so, is it partial or is it full? For me, after spending $30k out of pocket on my Master's last year, this was a huge deciding factor in me taking my latest job. If only I could have had that job a few years ago, I'd be $30k richer.... Better late than never.

Are you at 18th Services? Or where? How is it? Pardon my noseyness. I'm genuinely curious. I always like to hear how the grass is on the other side.

By the way, 18th Services website suxorz. :D lol. But what the hell, here's some free advertising for them. :D http://www.kadenaservices.com/

[Tanimaga]

those are the jobs that im taking about. but lemme see those are the ones taken by the japanese, have u been in hro?
theres about 800 files, for people trying to get jobs, get over myself? For what?

HRO doesn't handle IHA/MLC workers. Those individuals don't impact the American side of the house, since they are a limited amount of positions (set aside for Japanese citizens per US/Japan agreement)

It is good to have continuity in many of those jobs, since SOFA dependants will be there just long enough to learn the job, then leave.

I think you should be complaining about the amount of local American hires (like me) who are in until retirement, rather than the Japanese ones. I'm the reason you can't get a good job.. because I have it.
:thumbup:

[dk]

I think you should be complaining about the amount of local American hires (like me) who are in until retirement, rather than the Japanese ones. I'm the reason you can't get a good job.. because I have it.
:thumbup:
LOL if only everybody left every few years, I'd make it to the top QUICK..... I hate people like you (and me). \:-)

[Carl]

HRO doesn't handle IHA/MLC workers. Those individuals don't impact the American side of the house, since they are a limited amount of positions (set aside for Japanese citizens per US/Japan agreement)

It is good to have continuity in many of those jobs, since SOFA dependants will be there just long enough to learn the job, then leave.

I think you should be complaining about the amount of local American hires (like me) who are in until retirement, rather than the Japanese ones. I'm the reason you can't get a good job.. because I have it.
:thumbup:

Yes, being an American local hire is great! :thumbup:

[Okiman]

Groan anyone?

Somebody's been busy today :grin1:

[Longtermgerm]

Allot of you who post here are just ignorant of what goes on in Japan. FYI I was once a MLC worker. Yes, some bases used to allow Americans in the system. Once the Japanese workers got wind of it however, they were up in arms. The union got involved as well. There were once several of us, I dont know of any now. I been out of that shit for years and have no intention of going back. I experienced first hand how vicious the Japanese could be and it was hell so fuk all that. Ive also worked for the US gov and many private sector companies. I disagree about reitirees deserving first pick for base work. Most are worthless and still think they are in the military. I seen once clown give out memos for toliet paper on the floor in the ladies restroom. He would come in after working hours and check on people on late shifts and was always writing memos. This goof had base quarters and was a millionare from all that cola he stashed for like 50 years in Japan. Then his dumbass died once he retired from that. Guess he just couldnt find a real life. Dependants do deserve priority for jobs because there isnt anything else they can do. I can move around because of my skills, but somebody just off the plane is going to find many obstacles here.

[commando]

You figure Japanese unions are tough? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamsters)

[dk]

I found a new MCCS Jobs RSS feed today if anyone is interested. :rolleyes:

It's a little easier to use than their actual Jobs site, and you can add it into your iGoogle or whatever feed reader you use.

http://www.mccsokinawa.com/rss/jobs.aspx?Type=RSS

Enjoy. It's a little easier to beat people to a new job now. Add that to your own twitterfeed (http://twitterfeed.com/) and you can find out about new jobs pretty much the hour they become available.

[Tanimaga]

Allot of you who post here are just ignorant of what goes on in Japan. FYI I was once a MLC worker. Yes, some bases used to allow Americans in the system.

It's not ignorance, just old news that doesn't impact the thread, newb.

No SOFA dependants securing any IHA/MLC positions anywhere that I'm aware of.

[Longtermgerm]

No SOFA dependants securing any IHA/MLC positions anywhere that I'm aware of


Plenty of SOFA dependants that have secured MLC/IHA positions. They are Japanese married to U.S. military. Like I said, you dont know as much as you think you do, so maybe your still the newb on the block.

The MLC contract prohibits SOFA people from becoming MLC. The Japanese get around it by becoming an MLC worker then marrying a SOFA sponsor. Its a loophole the HRO will overlook because they say there is nothing in the contract that says you have to give up your MLC contract once obtaining SOFA so the rule only applies to people who are SOFA wanting to become MLC. It would seem to me that once you obtained SOFA, your employment would no longer be legal but I guess that wouldnt apply to Japanese. The Japanese HRO will, however, do everything within their power to block an American who wants to become an MLC because your being paid by Japanese taxes.

I have been told, but dont know for sure, that Americans are prohibited from becoming an MLC in Okinawa because of the shortage or jobs offbase for the Japanese community there. Its another reason I find it very hard to believe that there might be any good jobs down in Okinawa.

[Tanimaga]

No SOFA dependants securing any IHA/MLC positions anywhere that I'm aware of


Plenty of SOFA dependants that have secured MLC/IHA positions. They are Japanese married to U.S. military. Like I said, you dont know as much as you think you do, so maybe your still the newb on the block.

The MLC contract prohibits SOFA people from becoming MLC. The Japanese get around it by becoming an MLC worker then marrying a SOFA sponsor. Its a loophole the HRO will overlook because they say there is nothing in the contract that says you have to give up your MLC contract once obtaining SOFA so the rule only applies to people who are SOFA wanting to become MLC. The Japanese HRO will, however, do everything within their power to block an American who wants to become an MLC.


I was referring to American SOFA dependants, not Japanese. Just assumed I didn't have to state that. (Just to clear the air, I somehow intertwined another job related thread with this one.. hence the different tone)

[Longtermgerm]

Why did you post that to begin with? It had nothing to do with my previous post. My post was concerning the fact that I was familiar with the MLC system.

[Carl]

LTG, why are you even here? Please, go back to the US if you hate the job situation in Japan so much.

[DoctorP]

Why did you post that to begin with? It had nothing to do with my previous post. My post was concerning the fact that I was familiar with the MLC system.

So what? You want a cookie? The information that is spewing out of your orifice may be news to some people, but it has been discussed on the web previously. Not like you broke some big story.

I don't see it as a loophole if a Japanese spouse, that previously had a MLC position, is allowed to keep the job after marrying an American. If they were fired though, it would definitely reek of discrimination.

[Tanimaga]

Why did you post that to begin with? It had nothing to do with my previous post. My post was concerning the fact that I was familiar with the MLC system.

Like I said, I was confusing this thread with another. In any case, as far as IHA/MLC's go, I supervise 7 of them, and now am closing in on retirement in the NAF side of the house in Okinawa. Nothing new under the sun as far as I know.. and as DoctorP states, this thread has been recycled several times since I've been on JU.

[Richard Burns]

OMFG Long!!! For the MILLIONTH ******* time Japanese spouses are NOTTTTTT ******* SOFA!! Damnit!!!



What is a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement)?
Agreement between a host nation and the USA that allows US personnel into the country, acts as their visa status and outlines legal juristction and goves some protection.

Why would a JAPANESE citizen need protection in their OWN country?

Ed Zachary!

A Japanese spouse may be command sponsored, may have base priveliges, may have Y plates. But ARE NOT ******* SOFA.

[DoctorP]

OMFG Long!!! For the MILLIONTH ******* time Japanese spouses are NOTTTTTT ******* SOFA!! Damnit!!!



What is a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement)?
Agreement between a host nation and the USA that allows US personnel into the country, acts as their visa status and outlines legal juristction and goves some protection.

Why would a JAPANESE citizen need protection in their OWN country?

Ed Zachary!

A Japanese spouse may be command sponsored, may have base priveliges, may have Y plates. But ARE NOT ******* SOFA.


If they hold an ID card they are SOFA status...unless it is a retired ID card.

[Tanimaga]

OMFG Long!!! For the MILLIONTH ******* time Japanese spouses are NOTTTTTT ******* SOFA!! Damnit!!!



What is a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement)?
Agreement between a host nation and the USA that allows US personnel into the country, acts as their visa status and outlines legal juristction and goves some protection.

Why would a JAPANESE citizen need protection in their OWN country?

Ed Zachary!

A Japanese spouse may be command sponsored, may have base priveliges, may have Y plates. But ARE NOT ******* SOFA.


Someone said they were??

[Tanimaga]

If they hold an ID card they are SOFA status...unless it is a retired ID card.

You know, I've heard it both ways..

That they are SOFA status, and that they simply have a pass/ID card for base privileges. Years ago (when I was married to an Okinawan), I attempted to get my wife a job on base, but was denied.. since they told me she wasn't SOFA. She had to apply thru CPO just like any IHA/MLC wannabee.

[DoctorP]

You know, I've heard it both ways..

That they are SOFA status, and that they simply have a pass/ID card for base privileges. Years ago (when I was married to an Okinawan), I attempted to get my wife a job on base, but was denied.. since they told me she wasn't SOFA. She had to apply thru CPO just like any IHA/MLC wannabee.

Yeah I've been told both too. Of course during the lockdown I fell on the "she's not SOFA" side of the fence! lol

[dk]

Yeah I've been told both too. Of course during the lockdown I fell on the "she's not SOFA" side of the fence! lol
Another post I'd like to thank three times.

Even though I wasn't SOFA back then. lol. Man, Gate 2 Street was a ghost town! :w00t:

[Carl]

Another post I'd like to thank three times.

Even though I wasn't SOFA back then. lol. Man, Gate 2 Street was a ghost town! :w00t:

i wasn't sofa back then either and yeah, gate 2 was quiet. i remember seeing news crews out there interviewing people. i only went there waiting for someone to try to give me some shit, but no one bothered me.

[Tanimaga]

Well, with what I've told, and from what I've seen, I would have to side with Richard. I remember a young 'un saying my wife wasn't allowed to drive a Japanese plated car back in the day when they were making her a "SOFA" permit. Also, that she couldn't leave our home due to the lockdown we had back in the 90's.

I didn't realize that marrying her was going to put her into a non-citizenship limbo.

[Old guy]

To all the do-gooders etc, I am just stating the truth and there is more to come. I currently probally make more money than any of you posting here, but thats not all that is involved. So its not being pesimestic, its stating the truth about the reality here. Behind every story is a story and Id like to get behind the story.

Sooooo dazzle everyone! How much do you make?

[dk]

Sooooo dazzle everyone! How much do you make?
Right! It's about time!

My bet is $60k lol. Or less.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I just want to come to Steph's defense...at least she is one of the ones who is determined not to be a drain on her husband, good for you!!

But I don't think a MLC that is married to an American after hire should be allowed to keep her job. I would think that is just an abuse of both systems! Just thnk about it...she can get a Y plate, which means lower taxes, subsidized fuel from on base gas stations, tax free shopping at PX/Commissary, and all of the other benefits of a "bonafide" SOFA member, yet she gets paid much more than a Japanese worker and does not have to compete with the other American spouses for those jobs that are 'spousal preference'. Add to that the fact that the exact same job is not open to all other Japanese spouses.

I think this is not frowned upon more because these are, for the most part, women. I always smile when men, especially military men are condemned for the slightest rule infraction, yet people turn a blind eye when it comes to females.

I think the women who have an MLC job should have to make a choice. If they are really in love, they should get married, leave that position, and either go compete with the other military spouses for a position, or compete with the other Japanese women in the local economy.

[Muku]

Even though I wasn't SOFA back then. lol. Man, Gate 2 Street was a ghost town! :w00t:

In a manner of speaking it still is.:D

[Longtermgerm]

Like I said, I was confusing this thread with another. In any case, as far as IHA/MLC's go, I supervise 7 of them, and now am closing in on retirement in the NAF side of the house in Okinawa

That explains allot. Your an idiot who has been working in NAF for too long. You dont know what your talking about just like most of the people who work on the base. You got to to do the time, my friend, then you can talk the shiot. Not that I have anything against people who work on the base, its just that most of them are like you, that is they have it so good that you create your own reality and nobody dare challenge you.

I can see allot of that here on this thread that I started. If a Japanese national marries a SOFA sponsor, she is entitled to an ID card and all the priviliges provided by the SOFA agreement. If she or he was an MLC or IHA before marrying a SOFA person, then they are allowed to keep that status because of the sneaky loophole in the contract. I dont care how many MLC or IHA you interviewed, unless you were in that system, you dont know or understand the strangeness of the whole deal. Americans are prohibited from becoming an IHA because the IHA was written after the MLC to close up the loophole. The original MLC was written right after the occupation.

Things that "spew from my orfice" as you put it are from experiences, so I think I qualify to preach a bit on it. You, on the other hand, have no authority, so you try to make up for it by name calling, etc.

[uriel]

If they hold an ID card they are SOFA status...unless it is a retired ID card.

funny, that's not what the SOFA agreement says.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Arggh!!

I get so sick of this, "they are SOFA status/not SOFA status" bullshit!

It is usually kept up by the people who want their precious little Okinawan honey to have all of the benefits of being a full-fledged, card-carrying active duty military member, but none of the responsibilities!! F--k! I hate that holier than thou attitude!

If a guy marries a girl from the States, and brings his wife over, she has to abide by all the rules/regualtions set forth just like everybody else, including off-limits, lockdowns, etc...yet if you marry a Japanese chick you feel some air of superiority and all of the rules all of a sudden don't apply to her, when it's convienent for YOU...gimme a f--king break!!!!

If somebody was to kick your wife's ass off base or revoke her SOFA privileges because of failure to abide by the same rules/standards as EVERYONE ELSE, you'd all scream bloody murder!

I just get so sick of the f--king double standard.

[DougP]

If a guy marries a girl from the States, and brings his wife over, she has to abide by all the rules/regualtions set forth just like everybody else, including off-limits, lockdowns, etc...yet if you marry a Japanese chick you feel some air of superiority and all of the rules all of a sudden don't apply to her, when it's convienent for YOU...gimme a f--king break!!!!


Difference is, the J-spouse can still stay/ live in Japan without a SOFA ID card/privileges. The American spouse brought over here under the SOFA agreement will have to pack up and leave. Yes, J-spouse can get base access and some SOFA privileges when married to SOFA status personnel. Also its true they can lose those perks. As far as them being here under the SOFA between the US and protected by it like other US personnel are, well that's not the case. Sure, if a J-spouse does not comply with specific base policies like the lockdown they can lose their pass and privileges, but hey, thems the breaks. :)

[OtisPMerriweather]

Difference is, the J-spouse can still stay/ live in Japan without a SOFA ID card/privileges. The American spouse brought over here under the SOFA agreement will have to pack up and leave. Yes, J-spouse can get base access and some SOFA privileges when married to SOFA status personnel. Also its true they can lose those perks. As far as them being here under the SOFA between the US and protected by it like other US personnel are, well that's not the case. Sure, if a J-spouse does not comply with specific base policies like the lockdown they can lose their pass and privileges, but hey, thems the breaks. :)

I second that emotion...I just hate it when people feel as if their Japanese spouse is entitled to everything the SOFA has to offer, but has to abide by none of its requirements.

[uriel]

If a guy marries a girl from the States, and brings his wife over, she has to abide by all the rules/regualtions set forth just like everybody else, including off-limits, lockdowns, etc...yet if you marry a Japanese chick you feel some air of superiority and all of the rules all of a sudden don't apply to her, when it's convienent for YOU...gimme a f--king break!!!!

If somebody was to kick your wife's ass off base or revoke her SOFA privileges because of failure to abide by the same rules/standards as EVERYONE ELSE, you'd all scream bloody murder!

I just get so sick of the f--king double standard.

really? double standard? why should a japanese or okinawan spouse be subject to ANY lockdown in her/his own country? would YOU or anyone else stand for that in the states? no. off limits, lockdowns should NEVER be put on locals. remember when the military stopped running the island? that's when that shit was put to rest. there's a difference between following legit SOFA restrictions on base, and being put on lockdown in their own country. they have no protections under SOFA, just base/medical access. so what exactly is your problem?

[uriel]

I second that emotion...I just hate it when people feel as if their Japanese spouse is entitled to everything the SOFA has to offer, but has to abide by none of its requirements.

so what requirements do you think they should/must abide by that they aren't and why? now who exactly, other than you, has an air of superiority?

[Tanimaga]

Like I said, I was confusing this thread with another. In any case, as far as IHA/MLC's go, I supervise 7 of them, and now am closing in on retirement in the NAF side of the house in Okinawa

That explains allot. Your an idiot who has been working in NAF for too long. You dont know what your talking about just like most of the people who work on the base. You got to to do the time, my friend, then you can talk the shiot. Not that I have anything against people who work on the base, its just that most of them are like you, that is they have it so good that you create your own reality and nobody dare challenge you.

I can see allot of that here on this thread that I started. If a Japanese national marries a SOFA sponsor, she is entitled to an ID card and all the priviliges provided by the SOFA agreement. If she or he was an MLC or IHA before marrying a SOFA person, then they are allowed to keep that status because of the sneaky loophole in the contract. I dont care how many MLC or IHA you interviewed, unless you were in that system, you dont know or understand the strangeness of the whole deal. Americans are prohibited from becoming an IHA because the IHA was written after the MLC to close up the loophole. The original MLC was written right after the occupation.

Things that "spew from my orfice" as you put it are from experiences, so I think I qualify to preach a bit on it. You, on the other hand, have no authority, so you try to make up for it by name calling, etc.


You seem to know alot about me. Tell me more..

Maybe I'm an idiot? Hard to tell, since you have no idea who I am, or what I'm about. At least I can figure out how to properly operate the quote function there "engineer".

Maybe you are an idiot who has been working around Japanese too long, and you have acquired a "I'm bigger and tougher than you" mentality. Thats why they work you like a slave, and berate you? Won't work that way with your fellow Gaijins, buddy.

[P_chan]

Arggh!!

I get so sick of this, "they are SOFA status/not SOFA status" bullshit!

It is usually kept up by the people who want their precious little Okinawan honey to have all of the benefits of being a full-fledged, card-carrying active duty military member, but none of the responsibilities!! F--k! I hate that holier than thou attitude!

If a guy marries a girl from the States, and brings his wife over, she has to abide by all the rules/regualtions set forth just like everybody else, including off-limits, lockdowns, etc...yet if you marry a Japanese chick you feel some air of superiority and all of the rules all of a sudden don't apply to her, when it's convienent for YOU...gimme a f--king break!!!!

If somebody was to kick your wife's ass off base or revoke her SOFA privileges because of failure to abide by the same rules/standards as EVERYONE ELSE, you'd all scream bloody murder!

I just get so sick of the f--king double standard.

No, it's not about a "holier than thou" attitude. IMO it's about the US military trying to control a Japanese citizen.

You're damn right I'd be pissed if they took her SOFA status because then I don't get the benefits to help support my dependent. It's not really a double standard as much as it's a loop hole. The SOFA member is entitled to their benefits yet it's unlawful to try and restrict a foreign citizen in their own country. Now following the other rules of SOFA, then yes they need to follow them.

[Muku]

Seems to me that too many people confuse SOFA with having an ID card that allows access to base facilities that a base pass alone does not allow access to.

Just having an ID card does not automatically grant a person SOFA status.

I also wouls be very curious to know what exactly but none of the responsibilities!! Japanese people are supposedly not following and please:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: dont say the lockdown because that was up until now a 1 time occurance.

So OPM ....what, let's hear your specifics?

[TheLastDon]

Hey got an even better solution to this sofa/mlc/iha BS. Don't let sofa people marry local nationals or procreate or even intermingle. Shoot just get rid of of the local national workers they're lazy anyways and are making bank.

Let SOFA personnel take care of it's own they all better and harder working, right?

**** it, just close all the damn bases. So many of this terrible problems would go away.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, whine whine, whatever.

[Longtermgerm]

Shoot just get rid of of the local national workers they're lazy anyways and are making bank.

Let SOFA personnel take care of it's own they all better and harder working, right


Why not? more would get done without all the complaining. Theres an issue however. The bases are here for the mission. Whats the mission? To keep japan from going on a rampage again across asia. Thats it. Its not really to protect Japan, Japan is more than capable of doing it themselves but the rest of Asia, and the U.S. cant trust them and after what Ive seen and experienced, I damn sure dont trust them with their own military. Just last week or so they were all working themselves into a hissy into attacking N. Korea. So its a catch 22. The bases are here to keep Japan in check so we have to give something back to keep them from whinning in the media. We give them employement, well actually their government pays all of it these days. They in return wont complain about our occupation, unless your in Shibuya on Sunday and get ambushed by the right wing buses. So thats it, thats the lowdown. You can marry a JN and take your ass back home, and let the Japanese have all the good jobs on base and leave the rest for the dependants or retirees or you can fight the status quo by trying to break in to something that doesnt want you. Exceptions are out there but I my recomendation is why bother with it?

[Longtermgerm]

It is usually kept up by the people who want their precious little Okinawan honey to have all of the benefits of being a full-fledged, card-carrying active duty military member, but none of the responsibilities!! F--k! I hate that holier than thou attitude!

Dude I hear you but there is more to come. Check this; You know on many bases here in Japan retirees were not allowed to shop at the commissary because the J. Gov. said they werent paying taxes on what they were buying at the stores so somehow in that mix it wasnt fair. Somebody up above was also denying Retirees and reservist from staying at the New Sanno, but I hear that has recently been changed. Now what is ****** up and ass backwards is that japanese spouses can be MLC and shop at the commissary. Who is paying taxes on that? The sponsor? See if it benefits the Japanese, then its all good.

[DougP]

Shoot just get rid of of the local national workers they're lazy anyways and are making bank.

Let SOFA personnel take care of it's own they all better and harder working, right


Why not? more would get done without all the complaining. Theres an issue however. The bases are here for the mission. Whats the mission? To keep japan from going on a rampage again across asia. Thats it. Its not really to protect Japan, Japan is more than capable of doing it themselves but the rest of Asia, and the U.S. cant trust them and after what Ive seen and experienced, I damn sure dont trust them with their own military. Just last week or so they were all working themselves into a hissy into attacking N. Korea. So its a catch 22. The bases are here to keep Japan in check so we have to give something back to keep them from whinning in the media. We give them employement, well actually their government pays all of it these days. They in return wont complain about our occupation, unless your in Shibuya on Sunday and get ambushed by the right wing buses. So thats it, thats the lowdown. You can marry a JN and take your ass back home, and let the Japanese have all the good jobs on base and leave the rest for the dependants or retirees or you can fight the status quo by trying to break in to something that doesnt want you. Exceptions are out there but I my recomendation is why bother with it?

Oh, I can see it now. The US leaves Japan and immediately the the JSDF launches Operation Kawaii and takes the world by surprise!:ohmy:

OMG! RUN! run for the hills!!!!!!!
http://www.savingadvice.com/images/blog/hello-kitty-amoured-personnel-carrier.jpg

I just knew we couldn't trust them, oh if only the US were still hunkered down in Okinawa keeping the world safe from, from... these guys.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://chromatism.net/current/images/hellokittygun.jpg

[DJ Tak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tZa06pAG6w


---------------------------------------------------------------:army:

[Longtermgerm]

DouggieP I dont know where your at but Okinawa does not represent what the majority of Japan thinks. Most of the mainlanders look down on Okinawans. Koreans hate Japanese,both north and south because of what they went through over here during the war. There are even the zainichi still battling discrimination to this day because of how they are treated. If the US pulled out this place would explode overnight. The Chinese and Koreans are looking for some payback. Back in the day, Fillipinos were also on that train but these days they are too fuked up to care.

[P_chan]

DouggieP I dont know where your at but Okinawa does not represent what the majority of Japan thinks. Most of the mainlanders look down on Okinawans. Koreans hate Japanese,both north and south because of what they went through over here during the war. There are even the zainichi still battling discrimination to this day because of how they are treated. If the US pulled out this place would explode overnight. The Chinese and Koreans are looking for some payback. Back in the day, Fillipinos were also on that train but these days they are too fuked up to care.

Yeah, china would so be after the uji fields:rolleyes:

I'd imagine china and korea would have more of an interest in the mainland, seeing that is where the real japanese are and it's closer:D

[Longtermgerm]

Theres a day here in Japan, I forget the day, something like remember the dead day where Yasukuni jinja (equilivant of the US Arlington cemetary) gets packed with right wingers and nationlist and they go bizerk yelling about how better things were during the imperial rule and how everybody is beneath them. Its scary shit, people get beat down. If you think all Japanese are pacifist, go visit that thing, you can see for yourself. While your at it, take a look around Yasukuni jinji. The whole thing is made up for propaganda.

[uriel]

Shoot just get rid of of the local national workers they're lazy anyways and are making bank.

Let SOFA personnel take care of it's own they all better and harder working, right

sorry, i'd MUCH rather have the locals working here than MOST of the dependants. most, not all. hmmm.... work ethic of the average dependant in 2009 vs work ethic of the average japanese person? i'm going with japanese 99% of the time.

[Longtermgerm]

i'm going with japanese 99% of the time

I used to be like that. Something changed along the way. Me thinks you havent been here very long and/or your in the same boat as the other clown who has been with NAF forever that was being mean to me...lol. Actually getting one of those long term jobs on base is a good thing, I wont deny that, but you do tend to become alienated from what really goes on over here.

[uriel]

damn, i actually wrote out a response, then my computer crashed. okay, here's the gist of it:

you come across as an across the board over generalizing ass who is just as ignorant and bigoted as those you are here railing against, as if we had actually asked for "the lowdown". if you have such a problem with the rampant whatever, why stay? why not go live on the economy back in the states? i've been here long enough to know that your generalizations are wrong, and you have, in fact met some of these "great examples" of the populace, but you are still generalizing, and wrong.

[Longtermgerm]

When the economy picks up, you damn right Ill be rolling. Fuk this. Until then, Ill complain and piss all of you off. Why? Cuz Im in the know and you aint, so I can do that, and actually its kind of fun.

[DougP]

LMAO:w00t:
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[Muku]

When the economy picks up, you damn right Ill be rolling. Fuk this. Until then, Ill complain and piss all of you off. Why? Cuz Im in the know and you aint, so I can do that, and actually its kind of fun.

Dude take your valium.:rolleyes:

[OtisPMerriweather]

Well, in terms of specifics, we could sit here until the cows come home and list every little benefit that comes from getting a SOFA ID that Japanese spouses are able to use, then you could nitpick among them all you want, but I won't do that.

My point is simply that anytime it benefits the Japanese spouse, she and the sponsor flash her little ID card and happily get in line for whatever benefit they want to use, be it medical, commissary, taco bell, what have you. But as soon as SOFA personnel have to abide by some restriction, be it a curfew, or an off-limits establishment, or in this case, a job that one would not otherwise be eligible for, then the magnifying glasses come out and people want to pick apart the SOFA or whatever and say that the rules now no longer apply.

I think if a Japanese chick marries a SOFA person, they should have to make a solid choice. Either sign an agreement to abide by ALL regulations EVERY OTHER SOFA status person has to, or simply don't take the ID card, or any of the benefits, and continue operating like other Japanese without base access... Sign on base everytime you want to come on, unless you are a MLC/IHA, sign into the PX, no commissary, all that. You take her to the States and come back, especially if she has an immigrant visa, she has to abide by ALL rules just like an American wife.

You shouldn't be able to have it both ways. Again, people always want to look the other way when Japanese are utilizing the "loophole" but are so quick to jump on any military people, especially Marines, when they do something the slightest bit off kilter.

[0341isa]

but the whole thing does open up all sorts of interesting hypotheticals doesn't it? Let's just say, (devil's adv.) that the J-spouse ignores the base lockdown, or typhoon condition lockdown, whatever. While she is off galavanting around the island, she gets injured. Is she entitled to medical care for those injuries??? No, it's not about a "holier than thou" attitude. IMO it's about the US military trying to control a Japanese citizen.

You're damn right I'd be pissed if they took her SOFA status because then I don't get the benefits to help support my dependent. It's not really a double standard as much as it's a loop hole. The SOFA member is entitled to their benefits yet it's unlawful to try and restrict a foreign citizen in their own country. Now following the other rules of SOFA, then yes they need to follow them.

[z's inmate#2341]

I just wish LTG would learn how to use the quote button. Hard enough to follow his ramblings as it is.

[OtisPMerriweather]

but the whole thing does open up all sorts of interesting hypotheticals doesn't it? Let's just say, (devil's adv.) that the J-spouse ignores the base lockdown, or typhoon condition lockdown, whatever. While she is off galavanting around the island, she gets injured. Is she entitled to medical care for those injuries???

Of course she is, and to hell with anybody who tries to tell her otherwise! Great point, but those who don't get it will never see what you are trying to say.

[DougP]

but the whole thing does open up all sorts of interesting hypotheticals doesn't it? Let's just say, (devil's adv.) that the J-spouse ignores the base lockdown, or typhoon condition lockdown, whatever. While she is off galavanting around the island, she gets injured. Is she entitled to medical care for those injuries???

Not all Japanese spouses married to SOFA status personnel are entitled to free base medical care, if that's the particular type of base medical care you were referring to.:)

edit: Talk about a loophole. :D

[Tanimaga]

When the economy picks up, you damn right Ill be rolling. Fuk this. Until then, Ill complain and piss all of you off. Why? Cuz Im in the know and you aint, so I can do that, and actually its kind of fun.

I'm seeing why Japanese folks treat you so badly. Keep crying tough guy. :crying:

[Jazz]

I wonder if you added up the words in OPM's 1,600 posts if he'd have posted more words than DK or Pchan.

[Carl]

When the economy picks up, you damn right Ill be rolling. Fuk this. Until then, Ill complain and piss all of you off. Why? Cuz Im in the know and you aint, so I can do that, and actually its kind of fun.

You won't be missed. By the way, are you SGT_OKINAWA? He did a ton of bitching and moaning about the job market over here too.

Edited to add: Also, trolling is for losers with no life and is also against the rules here.
4. No trolling. A troll is someone who enters a discussion with the intent of stirring up trouble. Coming into a topic with no other motive than to anger the members, moderators, and/or administrator is not fine.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I wonder if you added up the words in OPM's 1,600 posts if he'd have posted more words than DK or Pchan.

Yes, all those words and still ain't talkin' about shit!

[Richard Burns]

If they hold an ID card they are SOFA status....

WRONG!WRONG!WRONG!

SOFA is your visa staus in Japan since you do not have a visa.

They are Japanese citizens so therefore are not SOFA. They have ID, base privelges but are NOT SOFA.

[Richard Burns]

I just want to come to Steph's defense...at least she is one of the ones who is determined not to be a drain on her husband, good for you!!

But I don't think a MLC that is married to an American after hire should be allowed to keep her job. I would think that is just an abuse of both systems! Just thnk about it...she can get a Y plate, which means lower taxes, subsidized fuel from on base gas stations, tax free shopping at PX/Commissary, and all of the other benefits of a "bonafide" SOFA member, yet she gets paid much more than a Japanese worker and does not have to compete with the other American spouses for those jobs that are 'spousal preference'. Add to that the fact that the exact same job is not open to all other Japanese spouses.

I think this is not frowned upon more because these are, for the most part, women. I always smile when men, especially military men are condemned for the slightest rule infraction, yet people turn a blind eye when it comes to females.

I think the women who have an MLC job should have to make a choice. If they are really in love, they should get married, leave that position, and either go compete with the other military spouses for a position, or compete with the other Japanese women in the local economy.


That maybe fe all well and good if she marryes a SNCO or Officer. But what about the MLC that marrys a LCPL on an unaccompanies tour. They don't do a tour conversion so get no housing, no COLA and if the command does'nt sponsor her no Y plate.

So why the **** should'nt she get to keep her job?

[Richard Burns]

Arggh!!

I get so sick of this, "they are SOFA status/not SOFA status" bullshit!

It is usually kept up by the people who want their precious little Okinawan honey to have all of the benefits of being a full-fledged, card-carrying active duty military member, but none of the responsibilities!! F--k! I hate that holier than thou attitude!

If a guy marries a girl from the States, and brings his wife over, she has to abide by all the rules/regualtions set forth just like everybody else, including off-limits, lockdowns, etc...yet if you marry a Japanese chick you feel some air of superiority and all of the rules all of a sudden don't apply to her, when it's convienent for YOU...gimme a f--king break!!!!

If somebody was to kick your wife's ass off base or revoke her SOFA privileges because of failure to abide by the same rules/standards as EVERYONE ELSE, you'd all scream bloody murder!

I just get so sick of the f--king double standard.


Well let's see the chick from the states has no visa here and the SOFA is her status in the country.

Jap/Oki spouse is a CITIZEN of this country.

So where is the double standard, I don't see it.

[OtisPMerriweather]

That maybe fe all well and good if she marryes a SNCO or Officer. But what about the MLC that marrys a LCPL on an unaccompanies tour. They don't do a tour conversion so get no housing, no COLA and if the command does'nt sponsor her no Y plate.

So why the **** should'nt she get to keep her job?

The LCpl rates housing if he gets married here...just not base housing. There is a provision in the order for "non-command sponsored dependent on island". They will also recieve COLA, for the simple fact that the guy was getting COLA own right anyways, and once he moves out of the barracks his COLA will increase. Also, if he doesn't get a tour conversion, she will only be paying for one year of taxes, etc., max, since LCpls only come here for one or two year unaccompanied tours anyways. That is of course, assuming they didn't get married the day he got here.

The easy answer is that she, as an MLC, ought to know what she is getting into financially marrying a LCpl, and make the hard choice mentioned earlier. If she wants to keep the money, keep the job and wait for the young 'un to get promoted. If she can't get by on LCpl pay and the local economy, she'd need to reconsider...hundreds of girls do it every year!

(Odd, these are the same choices women need to make in the REAL world when they are evaluating a lifestyle change like marriage...am I suggesting anything wildly out of the box here?!?!)

[OtisPMerriweather]

Well let's see the chick from the states has no visa here and the SOFA is her status in the country.

Jap/Oki spouse is a CITIZEN of this country.

So where is the double standard, I don't see it.

Like I said before, if she wants to be a CITIZEN, then just be a citizen. No need to use any of the military benefits since she'd like to roll with autonomy through her own country.

As I mentioned waaaay back in the lockdown era, if the Japanese government fell and there were riots in the streets, I don't think many of these CITIZENS would have a problem being "locked down" on base at that point.

[Richard Burns]

[QUOTE=OtisPMerriweather;209255]The LCpl rates housing if he gets married here...just not base housing. There is a provision in the order for "non-command sponsored dependent on island". They will also recieve COLA, for the simple fact that the guy was getting COLA own right anyways, and once he moves out of the barracks his COLA will increase.

This must be new cuz when I was on active duty me and the wife paid our own rent out of pocket, I was told I didnt rate anything since I'm on an unaccompanied tour. Granted that was fine by since since I knew I was getting out but still.

[DougP]

As I mentioned waaaay back in the lockdown era, if the Japanese government fell and there were riots in the streets, I don't think many of these CITIZENS would have a problem being "locked down" on base at that point.

What about the CITIZENS living off base? :D

Good question though, would the Japanese spouses with SOFA ID cards be able to seek refuge on base along with the US SOFA ID card holders? In the event of the Apocalypse or something bad like that.... Not all Japanese spouses and other folks with SOFA ID cards enjoy the same perks, base housing, housing allowance, free medical care on base, apocolypse insurance with a free Huey ride out of dodge etc. If that's not "double standards" why is it then a "double standard" when they don't have to face the same restrictions?

Just playing devil's advocate here, understand that if you want the King's pass gotta play by the king's rules and all that. :)

[Richard Burns]

(Odd, these are the same choices women need to make in the REAL world when they are evaluating a lifestyle change like marriage...am I suggesting anything wildly out of the box here?!?!)

yea but they dont have to quyit their job because of it. imo Japanese or (insert host nation name here) should get the "best of both worlds" when they marry a SOFA person.

[OtisPMerriweather]

What about the CITIZENS living off base? :D

Good question though, would the Japanese spouses with SOFA ID cards be able to seek refuge on base along with the US SOFA ID card holders? In the event of the Apocalypse or something bad like that.... Not all Japanese spouses and other folks with SOFA ID cards enjoy the same perks, base housing, housing allowance, free medical care on base, apocolypse insurance with a free Huey ride out of dodge etc. If that's not "double standards" why is it then a "double standard" when they don't have to face the same restrictions?

Just playing devil's advocate here, understand that if you want the King's pass gotta play by the king's rules and all that. :)

Yeah, not talking about your particular situation Doug, I'm talking specifically about those, especially on active duty, who cliam SOFA/Military dependent/whatever you want to call it status when it benefits them, yet cry "Japanese!" when the American rules are inconvenient.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Originally Posted by OtisPMerriweather

(Odd, these are the same choices women need to make in the REAL world when they are evaluating a lifestyle change like marriage...am I suggesting anything wildly out of the box here?!?!)

yea but they dont have to quyit their job because of it. imo Japanese or (insert host nation name here) should get the "best of both worlds" when they marry a SOFA person.

Um, yeah they do. If I married a doctor in the States, she would know when we were getting married that she is married to a military guy and there will be certain things she will have to give up if she wants to be with me. She has a choice...endure the hardship for love, or retain her current lifestyle and wait for something better to come along...why should Japanese chicks be any different from them?!?

BTW, I am married to an Okinawan woman and thinks she deserves no special treatment from anybody else's wife.

[DoctorP]

WRONG!WRONG!WRONG!

SOFA is your visa staus in Japan since you do not have a visa.

They are Japanese citizens so therefore are not SOFA. They have ID, base privelges but are NOT SOFA.

Then why would my wife need a SOFA drivers license? I understand what you are saying, but the line isn't quite so straight!:cool:

[Longtermgerm]

who cliam SOFA/Military dependent/whatever you want to call it status when it benefits them, yet cry "Japanese!" when the American rules are inconvenient.


Dude, so true. Seen it time after time. Its like a little child or something. The japanese are required for many positions to have a high TOIEC score, but whats amazing is that when they land that dream MLC/IHA job they starting whining in their little child like way, "eigo dekinai" everytime they are tasked with something that involves English. Its like some sort of phenomenon or something and its fuking irritating.

[DoctorP]

This must be new cuz when I was on active duty me and the wife paid our own rent out of pocket, I was told I didnt rate anything since I'm on an unaccompanied tour. Granted that was fine by since since I knew I was getting out but still.

He was right though Richard...you just got screwed! I got a housing allowance, but had to maintain a room in the barracks too. I lived in Yomitan and drove to Hansen everyday for work. I think we got like $600 a month and I paid $300 for rent.

[uriel]

The LCpl rates housing if he gets married here...just not base housing. There is a provision in the order for "non-command sponsored dependent on island". They will also recieve COLA, for the simple fact that the guy was getting COLA own right anyways, and once he moves out of the barracks his COLA will increase. Also, if he doesn't get a tour conversion, she will only be paying for one year of taxes, etc., max, since LCpls only come here for one or two year unaccompanied tours anyways. That is of course, assuming they didn't get married the day he got here.

The easy answer is that she, as an MLC, ought to know what she is getting into financially marrying a LCpl, and make the hard choice mentioned earlier. If she wants to keep the money, keep the job and wait for the young 'un to get promoted. If she can't get by on LCpl pay and the local economy, she'd need to reconsider...hundreds of girls do it every year!

(Odd, these are the same choices women need to make in the REAL world when they are evaluating a lifestyle change like marriage...am I suggesting anything wildly out of the box here?!?!)

if you're going to post about this, at least know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground. honestly dude, why the hate? why shouldn't a local national be able to keep a job? how is that not discrimination that you are so blatently against? if a marine isn't approved for the tour conversion, they will not get COLA at the with dependents rate. they will get partial bah which is pretty crappy.

again, if it was an AMERICAN woman in AMERICA and they were married to a marine there is no way the base CO would even attempt to lock them down. won't happen. really, why are you so against it? this is THEIR country and there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER they should have to follow the off limits rules or the bullshit lockdown rules. should american dependents be allowed to compete for MLC jobs and whatnot? sure. i think they should.

you go ahead and name me a job that a woman has where she is or should be FORCED to quit because of who they marry. again, discrimination, and you don't seem to have a problem with it when it isn't aimed at you.

[Longtermgerm]

Edited to add: Also, trolling is for losers with no life and is also against the rules here


Sorry to disappoint you dude but I dont hold those qualifications. I do speak up allot about shiot I been through and seen. Ill think Ill continue to post for now.

[Muku]

My point is simply that anytime it benefits the Japanese spouse, she and the sponsor flash her little ID card and happily get in line for whatever benefit they want to use, be it medical, commissary, taco bell, what have you. But as soon as SOFA personnel have to abide by some restriction, be it a curfew, or an off-limits establishment, or in this case, a job that one would not otherwise be eligible for, then the magnifying glasses come out and people want to pick apart the SOFA or whatever and say that the rules now no longer apply.

I think if a Japanese chick marries a SOFA person, they should have to make a solid choice. Either sign an agreement to abide by ALL regulations EVERY OTHER SOFA status person has to, or simply don't take the ID card, or any of the benefits, and continue operating like other Japanese without base access... Sign on base everytime you want to come on, unless you are a MLC/IHA, sign into the PX, no commissary, all that. You take her to the States and come back, especially if she has an immigrant visa, she has to abide by ALL rules just like an American wife.

You shouldn't be able to have it both ways. Again, people always want to look the other way when Japanese are utilizing the "loophole" but are so quick to jump on any military people, especially Marines, when they do something the slightest bit off kilter.

Nice try OPM nice try.....you made an accusation that you can not substantiate with facts.

I asked you for specifics and you hem and haw here trying to twist your way out of it......

I also wouls be very curious to know what exactly but none of the responsibilities!! Japanese people are supposedly not following and please dont say the lockdown because that was up until now a 1 time occurance.

So OPM ....what, let's hear your specifics?

Let's hear your specifics, all you are doing here is generalizing and making assumptions that do not answer the question that has been posed to you directly. Quit beating around the bush......what responsibilities specifically are not being followed?

You know you are getting a reputation of dropping all sorts of accusations here but not being able to follow up with specifics when asked directly to back up a so called claim that you make.

Well, in terms of specifics, we could sit here until the cows come home and list every little benefit that comes from getting a SOFA ID that Japanese spouses are able to use, then you could nitpick among them all you want, but I won't do that.

WTF???? You are so full of it, it has got to be leaking outta your ears:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You CANT come up with specifics so you kowtow with an answer like this.

Try again....

Tell us what benefit she or he is getting that is allowed for under the SOFA and not for having a dependent ID card for?

Dude you are twisting shit in the wind here and not backing anything you are saying with any facts other than what YOU THINK. :rolleyes:

Again......you have a hard time, excuse me, impossible time, answering direct questions. You are getting TP'esque and Aby'esque in finding excuses and ways to twist what people have to say to you in rebuttal to you outlandish and 100% INACCURATE theories about what Japanese spouses do or dont do.

You know you actually sound jealous......and I for one will be glad that one more over opinionated and more than a little uniformed, 狡い ずるい, which means sly; cunning; dishonest; sneaky; crafty; person like you will be leaving this island.

Go ahead and say what you have to say....it will be a joke to hear yourhttp://stein.bioch.dundee.ac.uk/~charlie/layman/BrownBrickWall_tileable.jpg of reply.

Say waht you want.....but you really are a little http://www.the-planets.com/star-biography/yoda_biography_3.jpg master of BS.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[uriel]

When the economy picks up, you damn right Ill be rolling. Fuk this. Until then, Ill complain and piss all of you off. Why? Cuz Im in the know and you aint, so I can do that, and actually its kind of fun.

the only thing you are is shoulders deep in your own ass.

[Longtermgerm]

"honestly dude, why the hate? why shouldn't a local national be able to keep a job?"

Another goof. Its not hate idiot. The other side gots the hate. Visit the other side and feel it for yourself.

[DoctorP]

Sorry to disappoint you dude but I dont hold those qualifications. I do speak up allot about shiot I been through and seen. Ill think Ill continue to post for now.

Nah...you are pretty much a loser...especially since you can't seem to learn how to work the quote button.

*hint*...it says QUOTE! :rolleyes:

[Longtermgerm]

I love it when this shiot flies. You can tell who has been here and knows whats up and who is full of do gooder love our japanese host shiot. This shiot is getting funny. Do continue....

[Longtermgerm]

Doc P I dont sweat spell check and quotes, thats what people like you are here for. Keep up the good work.

[uriel]

I love it when this shiot flies. You can tell who has been here and knows whats up and who is full of do gooder love our japanese host shiot. This shiot is getting funny. Do continue....

it isn't do gooder love, it's not being a racist, ignorant, hateful little man. i absolutely HATE some of the shit that goes on here, but the mindless bullshit that spews forth from your fingertips seems right up there with the propoganda and hate that was getting thrown around in the 50's.

and by the way, my quip about keeping the jobs wasn't even directed at you. if you can't keep up with the conversation, why not just go? speaking of go, why wait for the economy to pick up? why not just be a man and go to the us and find a job? man up, don't be a coward.

[Longtermgerm]

Why you so eager to get rid of me? One less gaijin to compete with? No worries dude, I aint out to get your job or wife.

and wtf is this-

"right up there with the propoganda and hate that was getting thrown around in the 50's"

What, you been here since the 50s?

[Carl]

Why you so eager to get rid of me? One less gaijin to compete with? No worries dude, I aint out to get your job or wife.


You got quite a stick up your ass. Sounds like someone took your job and/or wife (probably a Japanese guy). Question for you: why did you come to Japan in the first place?

[Longtermgerm]

Nice try duechebags A, B, and C. I wont even bother with your names. Seems you your missing the point of my post, probally because your too stupid to comprehend it so you get your little panties all up in a wad and wah wah, he said something I dont like or I am unable to respond to because I dont understand it. Anyways, nobody is taking nothing from me up here, lest you forget the ratio of female to male up here is much much better than your little hell hole down there.

[DougP]

Doc P I dont sweat spell check and quotes, thats what people like you are here for. Keep up the good work.

Why have someone pick up after you when its so much more satisfying knowing you can do it on your own? Learn how to with this simple guide..
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:thumbup:

[Longtermgerm]

Not only do you have spell check and quotation skills, now you show us your copy/paste skills. Im impressed.

[Carl]

Dude, if you hate Okinawa so much, WTF are you doing on this forum? You'll probably ignore that question like you ignored my last one. No one here is looking for job advice from a condescending dickhead.

[Longtermgerm]

Why you keep using the word "hate"? I never typed that word in my post. Your the one feeling the hate. Maybe your a self hater? Im only typing here about experiences, maybe you havent experienced so you cant relate. Im also pointing out truths. Why you got a problem with that?

[Carl]

Why you keep using the word "hate"? I never typed that word in my post. Your the one feeling the hate. Maybe your a self hater? Im only typing here about experiences, maybe you havent experienced so you cant relate. Im also pointing out truths. Why you got a problem with that?

Calling Okinawa a "hell hole" definitely conveys a feeling of hate. If you were unable to find jobs off base, you didn't look hard enough. There are tons as long as you are willing to learn some Japanese (which you should be willing to do since you live in JAPAN). You've also ignored contracting on base where job openings are constantly coming up and they're not hard at all to get in to. Contracting opens a lot of doors and can make it easier to land a GS position. Don't like it here? Leave. I'm done with this thread. You're just some punk ass troll not worth my time.

[DougP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZAxxk41BDg

Yeah... this thread deserves it.:D

[uriel]

Why you keep using the word "hate"? I never typed that word in my post. Your the one feeling the hate. Maybe your a self hater? Im only typing here about experiences, maybe you havent experienced so you cant relate. Im also pointing out truths. Why you got a problem with that?

your posts remind me of another member we have here who likes to point out the "truths" of Islam to us infidels. on another note, have you ever considered that since the VAST MAJORITY of people here haven't been faced with the "truths" that you claim to have been exposed to, that perhaps these horrible things that have happened to you were not directed out at foreigners in general, but you specifically? you really are demonstrating that you are the type of person who draws the contempt and hatred of those around you. just something to think about.

[Tanimaga]

your posts remind me of another member we have here who likes to point out the "truths" of Islam to us infidels. on another note, have you ever considered that since the VAST MAJORITY of people here haven't been faced with the "truths" that you claim to have been exposed to, that perhaps these horrible things that have happened to you were not directed out at foreigners in general, but you specifically? you really are demonstrating that you are the type of person who draws the contempt and hatred of those around you. just something to think about.

There does seem to be a common denominator here.

[OtisPMerriweather]

..........................pissed off post.................

[OtisPMerriweather]

You know what? I apologize. I said some bad shit and I should know better than to let you get to me like that.

[OtisPMerriweather]

if you're going to post about this, at least know the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground. honestly dude, why the hate? why shouldn't a local national be able to keep a job? how is that not discrimination that you are so blatently against? if a marine isn't approved for the tour conversion, they will not get COLA at the with dependents rate. they will get partial bah which is pretty crappy.

again, if it was an AMERICAN woman in AMERICA and they were married to a marine there is no way the base CO would even attempt to lock them down. won't happen. really, why are you so against it? this is THEIR country and there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER they should have to follow the off limits rules or the bullshit lockdown rules. should american dependents be allowed to compete for MLC jobs and whatnot? sure. i think they should.

you go ahead and name me a job that a woman has where she is or should be FORCED to quit because of who they marry. again, discrimination, and you don't seem to have a problem with it when it isn't aimed at you.

If you're going to say someone doesn't know what they are talking about, you should READ what they said...I never said they would get COLA at the with dependents rate. I said the member would be getting a COLA increase because COLA goes up, even if you are single, whenyou move out of the barracks. So even though you would not get COLA at the "at dependents" rate, you would still get COLA increase for being married because you would rate to move out of the barracks.

Coincidentally, this is the same as if you married a military dependent (like the colonels daughter). This was my JOB here, so go ahead and tell me again that I don't know what I'm talking about. :D

Also, people being FORCED to quit their jobs because of who they marry someone isn't anything new. There are such things as "conflicts of interest." I'll give you an example since you obviously aren't capable of dynamic thought. If you are a senator, lets say, and you start dating a chick that is a stripper, either you or she will be FORCED to quit their job. Maybe not by any rule, granted, so I'll give you another...let's say you start f***ing a person, at ANY job, who writes your evaluations and signs your paycheck, or vice versa. You want to get married, one of you is FORCED to quit. That may even happen before you get married. Even in the military, it's against the rules...it's called fraternization, not discrimination, and these rules are designed, in part, to prevent abuses in the system.

In all of these situations, the people involved have to make a choice between "love" and career, and it is often a decision that is made for them if they decline to make it themselves. Oh, but those examples don't count because they don't involve Japanese women, do they?

[OtisPMerriweather]

doesd OPM ever sleep?? LOL

LOL..."Up in the morning with the rising sun"...and all that good shit. Still don't keep me from staying up nights and getting drunk. :D

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[gibbonboy]

If you are a senator, lets say, and you start dating a chick that is a stripper....

Don't they make you Governor of New York, or President for that?

[OtisPMerriweather]

Don't they make you Governor of New York, or President for that?

Until you get caught, then you have to get on TV and cry or lie.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I will say this one thing to you, Muku...

I really get to you, don't I? I mean I seriously challenge your Okinawan id, ego, and super-ego, huh?

Your whole little routine is the know-it-all for Okinawa. Anybody whose experiences, and therefore opinions, ideas, and observations differ from your wise old ass is either an idiot that never leaves the base, or "uninformed", or just doesn't know the whole history of Okinawa, or as the Japanese want ot rename it, Muku island.

You say you'll be glad when I leave the island? You don't know me. You've never met me. My being on the island doesn't affect you in the least. But what DOES affect you is me being on the forum. Yeah, that's it, isn't it?

You want me gone, because you have been here for YEARS with the same old act, and anybody who sees through your captain-save-a-hoe, self-loathing ass, you:

1) follow them around the forum, waiting for them to post, then attempting to attack them from some self-imagined position of authority.
2) that failing, try and start a public opinion war, to get others to do the hating for you, since you are really one of the most marginally accepted people here.
3) bitch to the mods in hopes of getting that person banned or censured to the point that none of them even take you seriously anymore.

but you know what, for all of your bitching and moaning about how the quality of the forum has gone down, and how mods don't mod, and how we GAIJIN just don't get okinawa, you sure do love coming here to show everybody just how much you know about okinawa, don't you?

Here's the thing Muku...NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU. NOBODY. No matter how much hogen you learn, or how much japanese tv you watch, how much kanji you read, no matter how many bentos and bean sprouts you eat, no matter how many times you bow at the waist and kiss the great yellow ass of Japan, and all its women, at the end of the day, you will be no better than me in the eyes of the Japanese. You are and forever will be, a GAIJIN.

So go hide out in onna village in a little grass hut and eat sweet potato cakes and look down your nose at everyone else, Muku. The rest of us poor, ignorant bastards will go about the business of not being bitter old men.

P.S...I never knew that communicating your ideas thoroughly and in an orderly fashionon a forum using the written word instead of the "rolleye" smiley was a bad thing. That's what I get for going to college I guess.

So how's that for a wall of words?

[Muku]

I will say this one thing to you, Muku...

I really get to you, don't I? I mean I seriously challenge your Okinawan id, ego, and super-ego, huh?


You get to me nor more nor no less than a 1 year old child crying because his or her diapers are full of shit. :D

[DoctorP]

I think you two need a room of you own!

[OtisPMerriweather]

I think you two need a room of you own!

I would take him to the love hotel, but apparently ZEROmaint is already on his dick!

Guess I'll just have to wait my turn....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[P_chan]

but the whole thing does open up all sorts of interesting hypotheticals doesn't it? Let's just say, (devil's adv.) that the J-spouse ignores the base lockdown, or typhoon condition lockdown, whatever. While she is off galavanting around the island, she gets injured. Is she entitled to medical care for those injuries???

Well, seeing as my wife went to work during a typhoon AND visited her family during the lock down I'd say that I don't really give a shit. She wasn't "gallivanting" she was doing things she had to do. Since she's not off base partying during the lock down or trying to surf during a typhoon then I'd say she's entitled to her medical benefits if she was to be injured. However, seeing as health care in japan is pretty much socialized she's already got medical benefits because she is a citizen. As much as people would like to think that a Japanese spouse is just sucking at the proverbial SOFA tit, many of them would do perfectly fine without it.

LOL what cracks me up about this argument is that if the shoe was on the other foot people would be thanking my posts:rolleyes:. Hmm I even remember a number of civilian contractors writing their congressman/woman during the lock down:scratchchin:

It's not really about cheating the system or finding a loophole (in my case at least), it's more about the military infringing on the rights of someone they really have no jurisdiction over. Now if we were in any other country then it would be a different story.

[uriel]

Even in the military, it's against the rules...it's called fraternization, not discrimination, and these rules are designed, in part, to prevent abuses in the system.

In all of these situations, the people involved have to make a choice between "love" and career, and it is often a decision that is made for them if they decline to make it themselves. Oh, but those examples don't count because they don't involve Japanese women, do they?

no, they aren't forced to quit in the military. they get PCA'd to a different unit or somewhere where they aren't in the same chain of command. again, nothing you are saying about japanese spouses makes any damn sense. do you really hate women that much? do you really NEED to have that much control over women? what "abuses" are you protecting the system from exactly? why do you crave so much power over women? do you demand they stay pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen? again, you've given nothing that substantiates why you feel they should be forced into following whatever bs comes down the pipe. US citizen dependents should follow whatever rules come out for SOFA people here because they are here not as citizens, but as guests, just as we should. japanese should NOT be forced into some of our bs rules because they are citizens and residents of the country they are in. i don't see why you fight this so hard. are you personally losing out on something because someone else gets benefits?

hell, even aside from all these arguments, the SOFA agreement CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY states that the military CANNOT restrict the movements of japanese citizens TO INCLUDE spouses.

[Tanimaga]

hell, even aside from all these arguments, the SOFA agreement CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY states that the military CANNOT restrict the movements of japanese citizens TO INCLUDE spouses.

Back when the three guys raped the Okinawan girl, they sure tried. I was specifically told by my command that my Okinawan wife could not leave our home after 11PM (If I remember correctly).

One night after work at 10:30, while going out gate 3, the guard asked me where I lived (at the time Katsuren).. and refused to let me out the gate since he thought I didn't have enough time to get home within the window. Had to call up the flight chief to let me go home.

[Muku]

I will say this one thing to you, Muku...

I really get to you, don't I? I mean I seriously challenge your Okinawan id, ego, and super-ego, huh?

Your whole little routine is the know-it-all for Okinawa. Anybody whose experiences, and therefore opinions, ideas, and observations differ from your wise old ass is either an idiot that never leaves the base, or "uninformed", or just doesn't know the whole history of Okinawa, or as the Japanese want ot rename it, Muku island.

You say you'll be glad when I leave the island? You don't know me. You've never met me. My being on the island doesn't affect you in the least. But what DOES affect you is me being on the forum. Yeah, that's it, isn't it?

You want me gone, because you have been here for YEARS with the same old act, and anybody who sees through your captain-save-a-hoe, self-loathing ass, you:

1) follow them around the forum, waiting for them to post, then attempting to attack them from some self-imagined position of authority.
2) that failing, try and start a public opinion war, to get others to do the hating for you, since you are really one of the most marginally accepted people here.
3) bitch to the mods in hopes of getting that person banned or censured to the point that none of them even take you seriously anymore.

but you know what, for all of your bitching and moaning about how the quality of the forum has gone down, and how mods don't mod, and how we GAIJIN just don't get okinawa, you sure do love coming here to show everybody just how much you know about okinawa, don't you?

Here's the thing Muku...NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU. NOBODY. No matter how much hogen you learn, or how much japanese tv you watch, how much kanji you read, no matter how many bentos and bean sprouts you eat, no matter how many times you bow at the waist and kiss the great yellow ass of Japan, and all its women, at the end of the day, you will be no better than me in the eyes of the Japanese. You are and forever will be, a GAIJIN.

So go hide out in onna village in a little grass hut and eat sweet potato cakes and look down your nose at everyone else, Muku. The rest of us poor, ignorant bastards will go about the business of not being bitter old men.

P.S...I never knew that communicating your ideas thoroughly and in an orderly fashionon a forum using the written word instead of the "rolleye" smiley was a bad thing. That's what I get for going to college I guess.

So how's that for a wall of words?


All this in a reply to a person that supposedly NOBODY listens to?

OPM you are such a hypocrite.

You are also so predictable, when you can't answer the questions posted to you, you attack the person and not the argument or opinion. Real smart.....:rolleyes:

You do it so often that it has become your trademark. I wonder what kind of education you got that trained you to act like a child when people disagree and question what you have to say. Things weren't like that when I was in college.

Sounds to me like you were training to be a either a lawyer or a preacher.

[Old guy]

You all seem to be overlooking the fact that longtermgerm is in mainland Japan which is quite different from Okinawa in attitude & culture. Many hate american's there and with him fueling the fires i'm sure hate him as well.

He's just using these forums as his stress therapy to make you yell like a kid bully yanking a girls hair to hear her scream. Ignore him.... he'll go away.

...and longtermgerm, i'm still waiting to be amazed & dazzled by how much you make! How much?

[uriel]

it isn't nearly as bad as longtermcrazy would have us believe. even in iwakuni where they supposedly hate us with a passion, it isn't all that bad.

[OtisPMerriweather]

no, they aren't forced to quit in the military. they get PCA'd to a different unit or somewhere where they aren't in the same chain of command. again, nothing you are saying about japanese spouses makes any damn sense. do you really hate women that much? do you really NEED to have that much control over women? what "abuses" are you protecting the system from exactly? why do you crave so much power over women? do you demand they stay pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen? again, you've given nothing that substantiates why you feel they should be forced into following whatever bs comes down the pipe. US citizen dependents should follow whatever rules come out for SOFA people here because they are here not as citizens, but as guests, just as we should. japanese should NOT be forced into some of our bs rules because they are citizens and residents of the country they are in. i don't see why you fight this so hard. are you personally losing out on something because someone else gets benefits?

hell, even aside from all these arguments, the SOFA agreement CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY states that the military CANNOT restrict the movements of japanese citizens TO INCLUDE spouses.



Who said I hated women? Who said i wanted to control them? All I'm saying is that it is simply not right for a MLC married to a military member to hold a job she otherwise couldn't even apply for. Not only is she keeping some other person from filling that job, but she doesn't have to compete with the rest of the wives for the spousal jobs. Even other members who have japanese wives can not get that job, which is a real bonus to the family income, I'm sure everybody would like a shot at that.

It's not a matter of being forced to quit, she should simply be NO LONGER ELIGIBLE for that job. And she would have made herself ineligible by her OWN choices, not because of anything anybody FORCED her to do.

As far as the lockdowns and all that, I really couldn't give a shit. All I'm saying that is if you come over here active duty, you have to get permission from the military to even get married in the first place! Some people sneak off to Guam or Hawaii and do it, (to get around the system again) but you have to ask permission to get married from the command.

If the command grants that permission under the good faith assumption that you and your spouse will adhere to the accompanying rules and regulations that commanders set forth, and you belly up and accept ANY military benefits on behalf of your spouse, and then you go off and totally disregard and betray that good faith simply because you know that you wife is Japanese and their jurisdiction over them is limited, then that's just how you get down then. It really ain't no sweat off my back...but don't act like it's RIGHT.

Everybody gets all hung up on SOFA, SOFA, SOFA, when the SOFA is not the only regulation that governs conduct on Okinawa. The SOFA has nothing to do with what jobs a person can or cannot hold. The GOJ, (you know, the law in your wife's country) has those jobs available for japanese women who are not married to a military/SOFA status person, and everyone knows it.

At least when I cheat, I go ahead and admit it's cheating.

[OtisPMerriweather]

I guess I should clarify my points, and if whoever doesn't agree, then fine, we'll agree that we have different opinions.

1) I think that getting married is a personal choice. It is not something that is required of any individual, or something you have to do.

2) When an MLC accepts a job, they have to apply. They go to orientations. They know the rules governing MLCs. The current rule is that Japanese married to SOFA personnel are not eligible for MLC positions.

3) An MLC who makes the decision to get married to a SOFA member should do so knowing that choice will make her ineligible for that position, much like married military members of certain ranks are ineligible for certain military positions...or in the same vein as military members who choose to get married on an unaccompanied tour do so knowing that they will be ineligible for certain benefits.

4) The rule should be that MLCs must resign their position, maybe not immediately, but within a certain time frame, and then they are eligible for jobs that other wives can hold...or otherwise, open MLC positions up to ALL japanese spouses.

5) There is obviously a REASON why all Japanese spouses are not eligible for MLC/IHA positions. I suspect (but do not know for certain) it is an effort to put the displaced local workforce back to work, and to help relieve some of the "burden" of the bases on the local workers. Once an MLC is married to a military member, the military is now providing housing, sustenance, and many other forms of support (counseling, education opportunities, etc.) that "ordinary citizens" do not have. That MLC is in essence, now being supported by the military. The MLC job should go to another eligible "ordinary citizen", thereby fulfilling the mission and intent of having jobs set aside in the first place.

Finally, about the SOFA benefits and all that, again I say that if you request permission to marry from the government, and the government makes a commitment to support your spouse, and you accept benefits on behalf of your Japanese spouse, that spouse should be subject to the same regulations as spouses from America or whatever other country.

If the spouse does not wish to do this, and remain purely a "japanese citizen living in japan and subject only to those laws" then renounce those benefits, ID card, etc. and continue with the same privileges that Japanese girlfriends have, which are none.

You sign the military contract knowing that there are certain freedoms you have to give up, and certain sacrifices you have to make. I think if a Japanese woman signs on with you, she should do so with the full knowledge and expectation that some things that used to be acceptable are now not acceptable.

These are the only points I'm trying to make, and I don't think any of this is some radical idea, or overly controlling.

[Blues]

I would take him to the love hotel, but apparently ZEROmaint is already on his dick!

Guess I'll just have to wait my turn....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I thought I would take a small break from posting, but once again you're dirty little whore mouth has run rampant, here's some words of encouragement from the late great George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it9kpZHXhxI

Hilarious that the "grown man" herself, OPM, is aruging like a 5-year old girl. Welcome to the club, hypocrite. You can't just simply disagree with someone, you have to go the extra inch to insult for thinking different than you do. That makes you a condescending prick. Time to go back to my nap now. :D

[OtisPMerriweather]

Wait, zero, don't go yet! Aren't you going to "groan" my posts?? You know it hurts my feelings when you do that...

[Blues]

ROFL. Goddamn you sound like such a loser, groans bother you so much that you have drag my name out in a thread that I didnt even reply beforehand? You pretend to be mature when in essence you can't accept that a few people wont stomach your pretentious BS.

..........................pissed off post.................
Lost your cool in a post?? Had to edit it so not to damage your ridiculous reputation? Hell, even I say some unpopular $hit, but I stand by it.

Here's a fact:
OPM: " I won an argument on the internet"
Rest of the real world: "who gives a f***?"

[uriel]

You sign the military contract knowing that there are certain freedoms you have to give up, and certain sacrifices you have to make. I think if a Japanese woman signs on with you, she should do so with the full knowledge and expectation that some things that used to be acceptable are now not acceptable.

These are the only points I'm trying to make, and I don't think any of this is some radical idea, or overly controlling.

I sign. that's the difference. I signed the solid "dotted" line. why "should" it be that way? i still have no idea WHY you feel that way. a japanese spouse isn't forced to quit her/his job if the work in a gov't office, so why should they for MLC. again, i still feel that ALL spouses, japanese and otherwise should be allowed to work wherever they want.

you still continue to skirt my main question. if we were in america, playing by the rules there, would you feel comfortable making your wife a CIVILIAN abide by some bullshit lockdown because of what an american SERVICEMEMBER did? hell no you wouldn't. there would be shitstorms sent up to congressmen and god and everyone else. here, in this country, the SOFA, again, plainly and explicitly states that the military CANNOT restrict their movements. this is not our country, why should we be able to tell them anything? same goes with "off limits" areas or anything else like that OFF base. on base, yeah, jump through the hoops. just like in the states no one would be telling an american dependent wife shit. NO ONE. would you feel the need to tell an american dependent wife on Pendleton for instance, that she should have to give up her base job to help with the "displaced" local work force? same deal, but you more than likely wouldn't say that, because "it's america".

oh well, agree to disagree. :-|

[Longtermgerm]

Allot of you are distorting what I post. See I never said all Japanese hate Americans. They see us as an object of curosity. They will never accept you into their society because their society is based on a caste system. Base and diplomat people have the best of both worlds because they dont have to deal with the caste system and they also get to be themselves. Its very difficult to be an American here without making some serious compromises to your personality and it takes its toll. Base folks can act the fool, go back to base, get paid for acting a fool and live in this reality. Like I said before, nothing against base people, they just dont know whats up but most of them will preach like they do.

[Longtermgerm]

"I sign. that's the difference. I signed the solid "dotted" line. why "should" it be that way? i still have no idea WHY you feel that way. a japanese spouse isn't forced to quit her/his job if the work in a gov't office, so why should they for MLC. again, i still feel that ALL spouses, japanese and otherwise should be allowed to work wherever they want."

Im sure you do feel that way. LOL. Thats because you dont know shiot about them or their system. Go do some time with them on their turf, see how it is. It aint equal and thats the whole point of my post. Your missing the whole point dude. Go back and re read everything I put up about the unfairness of the whole deal. I aint one to cry when my "civil rights" get violated, but shiot, there aint even a basic framework out here..lol. And your all touch feely for them? Shiot, fuk that dude, you dont know whats up.

[DoctorP]

"I sign. that's the difference. I signed the solid "dotted" line. why "should" it be that way? i still have no idea WHY you feel that way. a japanese spouse isn't forced to quit her/his job if the work in a gov't office, so why should they for MLC. again, i still feel that ALL spouses, japanese and otherwise should be allowed to work wherever they want."

Im sure you do feel that way. LOL. Thats because you dont know shiot about them or their system. Go do some time with them on their turf, see how it is. It aint equal and thats the whole point of my post. Your missing the whole point dude. Go back and re read everything I put up about the unfairness of the whole deal. I aint one to cry when my "civil rights" get violated, but shiot, there aint even a basic framework out here..lol. And your all touch feely for them? Shiot, fuk that dude, you dont know whats up.


It would probably be easier for him to go back and re-read it if you would learn to use the quote function. Wow, I'd love to see your work product, since you obviously have trouble learning simple tasks.:rolleyes:

[Longtermgerm]

Well for me typing on this forum isnt work, its entertainment. Guess thats the difference between me and you.

[DJ Tak]

Well for me typing on this forum isnt work, its entertainment. Guess thats the difference between me and you.


Entertainment for you, agony for those of us trying to read your posts.

[Longtermgerm]

Well his post is in quotes, mine arent and they are below. Tell you what though, to make it easier, Ill start putting his in a different color. Dayum.

[DJ Tak]

Well his post is in quotes, mine arent and they are below. Tell you what though, to make it easier, Ill start putting his in a different color. Dayum.

Why don't you just hit the quote button before you start typing?

[Longtermgerm]

Now this one made my day-

If you were unable to find jobs off base, you didn't look hard enough. There are tons as long as you are willing to learn some Japanese (which you should be willing to do since you live in JAPAN). You've also ignored contracting on base where job openings are constantly coming up and they're not hard at all to get in to. Contracting opens a lot of doors and can make it easier to land a GS position

If I was only willing to learn some Japanese. Thats funny. Thing is I know Japanese, but even though I invested all that time and work, Im now told I dont need it. Another story.

Anyways, you tell me I ignored all those contracting jobs on base. Now just WTF is that? Are you talking out of your azz or do you really know anything about that? First of all, you need to be able to offer something that needs to be contracted out. You didnt mention or link anything, so Ill suggest gardening. So I show up with my weedeater and somehow I supposed to get past the legions of Okinawans that have been bidding and winning those contracts for years because the pay the contracting officer on base, a MLC worker, kickbacks. How do I know this? I want post it here but I know it goes down. So somehow, in that fantasy of yours, I win that contract, maybe I made some connection or whatever. Now you suggest I am suddenly higher on the list when it comes to getting that GS job. I dont know what your basing that on because I have never seen that criteria. Ive seen priority given to retirees, dependants, veterans and family but never contractors. See dude, I can get a WG job or NAF or any of that other shiot but most are dead end jobs. Occasionally somebody will like somebody and pull them up from slaves below but its rare and takes years. It usually has nothing to do with hard work, actually I have witnessed the opposite. The clown who doesnt do anything is the one that has the game figured out and gets picked up.

[Sex Wax]

... The clown who doesnt do anything is the one that has the game figured out and gets picked up.

lol....Thats me :D. Base job, SOFA, Off-base work, and still time to lay on the beach chugging chu-hi. No office jobs for me thank you very much. Okinawa ROCKS!!!!!

[DoctorP]

The clown who doesnt do anything is the one that has the game figured out and gets picked up.

You would do just fine then wouldn't you! :scratchchin:

[kintama]

SGT_Okinawa reincarnated as Longtermgerm?

[DoctorP]

SGT_Okinawa reincarnated as Longtermgerm?

Couldn't be...SgtOkinawa LOVED the idea of coming over here, he'd never talk bad about Japan or Okinawa.:rolleyes:

[Longtermgerm]

Dude I wished I had one of those base job somedays. Up here you got to haul. Japanese dont give out something for nothing. They expect the opposite on base, but out here in the private sector we gaijins earn evey bit of it. Down in the financial sector they were working some killer hours, I dont know what their doing now since the collaspe.

[Longtermgerm]

Couldn't be...SgtOkinawa LOVED the idea of coming over here, he'd never talk bad about Japan or Okinawa

We all did. They change. The place he is going is a stress farm. See how long he last. Well maybe he is in with a good organization, so I shouldnt jump the gun on that one but I knew 2 guys who packed up their shiot and left that place and went back to the states. Like I said, maybe its changed, that was many years ago when I worked for the Navy.

[Tanimaga]

lol....Thats me :D. Base job, SOFA, Off-base work, and still time to lay on the beach chugging chu-hi. No office jobs for me thank you very much. Okinawa ROCKS!!!!!

Now Sex Wax has the plan!

I'm going to reflect on the job agony others are going thru tonight.. or maybe tomorrow on my boat if I just don't go in to work tomorrow. Possibly while I'm watching my 150" HiDef projector, or the 47" LCD. Most assured while I'm welding up some intercooler piping for $$ on my $4000 welder, or while CNC'ing up a part tonight. Yea.. possibly..

Have I mentioned that my cushy job just payed me my COLA backpay? Over 34 thousand tax free dollars I didn't expect. Driving that forklift for NAF really sucks.. dead end job as it is.

[uriel]

Im sure you do feel that way. LOL. Thats because you dont know shiot about them or their system. Go do some time with them on their turf, see how it is. It aint equal and thats the whole point of my post. Your missing the whole point dude. Go back and re read everything I put up about the unfairness of the whole deal. I aint one to cry when my "civil rights" get violated, but shiot, there aint even a basic framework out here..lol. And your all touch feely for them? Shiot, fuk that dude, you dont know whats up.

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. OPM and I are having a debate about subject A. You are speaking OUT YOUR ASS about god knows what. I AM NOT LIKE YOU! I AM NOT A JUDGEMENTAL PIECE OF SHIT WHO HAS NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHERE HE IS AT AND YET IS TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO GO BACK TO AMERICA OR WHATEVER SHITHOLE YOU CAME OUT OF! damn, you are not special. i will reiterate: most likely, you get treated like shit because everyone around you sees you for what you are: a piece of steaming, gaijin, japanese hating shit. if i were a dumbass, i would stay where people treat me like shit, expect the world out of me, and bully me into submission. but, since i'm not, i don't. funny, YOU stick around. go ahead, take a guess what that means.

GROW A SET OF BALLS AND LEAVE THIS PLACE THAT YOU HOLD IN OBVIOUS CONTEMPT, GO BACK TO THE DEEP SOUTH OR WHATEVER BACWOOD YOU CAME FROM AND BE HAPPY! BOTTOM LINE:

MAN UP AND GO!

[uriel]

Couldn't be...SgtOkinawa LOVED the idea of coming over here, he'd never talk bad about Japan or Okinawa

We all did. They change. The place he is going is a stress farm. See how long he last. Well maybe he is in with a good organization, so I shouldnt jump the gun on that one but I knew 2 guys who packed up their shiot and left that place and went back to the states. Like I said, maybe its changed, that was many years ago when I worked for the Navy.

he got a job on base. not everyone is the cynic you are.

[Longtermgerm]

I'm going to reflect on the job agony others are going thru tonight.. or maybe tomorrow on my boat if I just don't go in to work tomorrow. Possibly while I'm watching my 150" HiDef projector, or the 47" LCD. Most assured while I'm welding up some intercooler piping for $$ on my $4000 welder, or while CNC'ing up a part tonight. Yea.. possibly..

Have I mentioned that my cushy job just payed me my COLA backpay? Over 34 thousand tax free dollars I didn't expect. Driving that forklift for NAF really sucks.. dead end job as it is.
__________________

Spill some details there dude. So you own your own company or your just blowing some smoke? Seems hard to believe that there would be such and opportunity in Oki doing manufacturing or maintenance. Maybe you mean to say your retired and got a NAF job and fiddle fuk around in your garage on the side?

[Longtermgerm]

Well somebody sure is offended. Must of hit that nerve
You know Ive noticed that those who get irate and start with the name calling are reaching. Keep cool dude. There is more to come. And what is this-

GO BACK TO AMERICA

Dayum dude, your starting to sound like the Japanese Ive worked for. I bet you got a big rising sun flag hanging in your bedroom.

[Crazysix]

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. OPM and I are having a debate about subject A. You are speaking OUT YOUR ASS about god knows what. I AM NOT LIKE YOU! I AM NOT A JUDGEMENTAL PIECE OF SHIT WHO HAS NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHERE HE IS AT AND YET IS TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO GO BACK TO AMERICA OR WHATEVER SHITHOLE YOU CAME OUT OF! damn, you are not special. i will reiterate: most likely, you get treated like shit because everyone around you sees you for what you are: a piece of steaming, gaijin, japanese hating shit. if i were a dumbass, i would stay where people treat me like shit, expect the world out of me, and bully me into submission. but, since i'm not, i don't. funny, YOU stick around. go ahead, take a guess what that means.

GROW A SET OF BALLS AND LEAVE THIS PLACE THAT YOU HOLD IN OBVIOUS CONTEMPT, GO BACK TO THE DEEP SOUTH OR WHATEVER BACWOOD YOU CAME FROM AND BE HAPPY! BOTTOM LINE:

MAN UP AND GO!
damn Uriel, you are in a pissy mood today LMAO...we all have those days:ohmy::thumbup::thumbup:

[uriel]

offended? no, it's just that you are a bigoted, narrowminded, biased, moron who thinks "knows the inside scoop", but really, it's like me going to east LA, getting mugged and knifed by some mexicans let's say, and then i go around bitching and moaning about how i "know" what they are like. as i said, man the **** up and go back to the states. don't be a bitch and cry about the economy, just go. they'll be more accepting of you there and you'll get your nice job doing whatever it is you do and getting paid far more for it.

[uriel]

sorry c6, dipshits who claim to "know" shit just get on my nerves. especially ones who as i've said, are bigoted, stereotyping, ignorant mofos.

[Tanimaga]

I work for NAF, and make a decent wage "Fiddle fuking" in my garage.

Just giving the low down on work in Okinawa.

[Crazysix]

sorry c6, dipshits who claim to "know" shit just get on my nerves. especially ones who as i've said, are bigoted, stereotyping, ignorant mofos.

well, as I always say...if you cant kick the shit out em...let it go...its easier on the blood pressure..................besides we are all that waybigoted, stereotyping, ignorant mofosin some ways.........:thumbup::thumbup:

[Longtermgerm]

Uriel dont be sorry, we can see your the weak link and go all bizerk when you should be taking notes. I havent seen any of you post anything in reponse that I can actually use, you just go all irate and wanna get violent, sure sign of being ignorant. I mean Im not calling you stupid, your just ignorant of whats up.

[Blues]

http://super-genius.org/images/mr_burns_excellent.jpg

Entertaining thread indeed. Best Laugh All Day.

[uriel]

well, as I always say...if you cant kick the shit out em...let it go...its easier on the blood pressure..................besides we are all that wayin some ways.........:thumbup::thumbup:

some ways, not all ways. either way, i'm done with this shit. later alls.

[OtisPMerriweather]

Hey uriel, you made me think of a good example though...

Right now, military in California are not allowed to go down to Mexico due to the political/drug war situation without commander's permission. Do you think a guy with an American wife..better yet, a Mexican wife should be able to go down there even though he can't? Do you think he'd be a responsible husband if he encouraged his wife to go down there?

In effect, it is still a restriction on American citizens in America that "ordinary" Americans are able to do. It's not a total lockdown, and the lockdown was a unique situation, but it is an example of what I'm talking about.

[DoctorP]

Spill some details there dude. So you own your own company or your just blowing some smoke? Seems hard to believe that there would be such and opportunity in Oki doing manufacturing or maintenance. Maybe you mean to say your retired and got a NAF job and fiddle fuk around in your garage on the side?

When you are good at something...and can create a quality product...you can create a market for yourself. If you sit around and wait for someone to give you something, then you are screwed.

[Longtermgerm]

Uriel got all mad and just up and left. Dang. Just threw down his ball and stomped off. Did I do that? Sorry dude.

Hey doc, what is it that you do for a living? Did you invent something here in Japan or something?

[DoctorP]

Hey doc, what is it that you do for a living? Did you invent something here in Japan or something?

I have a base job and run two businesses on the side. Oh...and I created the Japanese Internetz! (Gore beat me to the US version):rolleyes:

[Tanimaga]

When you are good at something...and can create a quality product...you can create a market for yourself. If you sit around and wait for someone to give you something, then you are screwed.

Here you go.. a little before and after from the anodising side of my shop..

If you know folks, and they like you.. the money comes.

[uriel]

Hey uriel, you made me think of a good example though...

Right now, military in California are not allowed to go down to Mexico due to the political/drug war situation without commander's permission. Do you think a guy with an American wife..better yet, a Mexican wife should be able to go down there even though he can't? Do you think he'd be a responsible husband if he encouraged his wife to go down there?

In effect, it is still a restriction on American citizens in America that "ordinary" Americans are able to do. It's not a total lockdown, and the lockdown was a unique situation, but it is an example of what I'm talking about.

yes OPM, she is an american citizen and if she wants to take her life into her own hands, what business is it of any commanders? he has absolutely no say. she isn't military (in this example). on the other hand, would he be a responsible husband? no. but comparing that to this is not even apples and oranges, it's apples and gerbils. because life is in imminent danger and it could very well cause her to come to great harm. it is not like that here. here things are off limits because of moral issues usually. drugs, sex, ugly chicks, who knows?

moral of the story, CO doesn't have any power over what she does off base.

[Blues]

Hey uriel, you made me think of a good example though...

Right now, military in California are not allowed to go down to Mexico due to the political/drug war situation without commander's permission. Do you think a guy with an American wife..better yet, a Mexican wife should be able to go down there even though he can't? Do you think he'd be a responsible husband if he encouraged his wife to go down there?

In effect, it is still a restriction on American citizens in America that "ordinary" Americans are able to do. It's not a total lockdown, and the lockdown was a unique situation, but it is an example of what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00

[OtisPMerriweather]

yes OPM, she is an american citizen and if she wants to take her life into her own hands, what business is it of any commanders? he has absolutely no say. she isn't military (in this example). on the other hand, would he be a responsible husband? no. but comparing that to this is not even apples and oranges, it's apples and gerbils. because life is in imminent danger and it could very well cause her to come to great harm. it is not like that here. here things are off limits because of moral issues usually. drugs, sex, ugly chicks, who knows?

moral of the story, CO doesn't have any power over what she does off base.

I pretty much agree with what you're saying. The CO doesn't and probably shouldn't have any power over what a spouse does, here or in the states. But responsible husbands should probably encourage their spouses to stay away from off-limits places, generally because there is something not quite right going on there. It's not control over them, it's just trying to keep a loved one out of places that have bad reputations for whatever reasons.

Now if my wife tries to keep me out of the titty bar, we're going to have problems. talk about your double standards.

[OtisPMerriweather]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00

Ay, thought you were on a "posting hiatus"...that was quick. Even Jrocka was able to stay away for at least a day. Well, at least you edited your sig.

You really ought not obsess over me, zero...didn't you learn anything the LAST time??

[uriel]

true, true to post 224.

[Longtermgerm]

Anodizing is cool. Was you a machinist in the Corps or a MR in the Navy by any chance? I got a lathe myself with little CNC drive on the carrige, I dont have time to play with it these days. Ill have to put up some pics. I got pics of allot of weird shiot up here. How about a link to a Japanese Neo Nazi site? They, like everything else, do exisit up here.

[commando]

Wow! The world's tenth most populous country and number two economy has just about everything?! Thanks for the scuttlebutt!!

[Longtermgerm]

Wow! The world's tenth most populous country and number two economy has just about everything?! Thanks for the scuttlebutt!!
__________________

Well that was ignorant. The point of the post was in the vibe of the xenophobia that I have been talking about. I found it weird that these crazy Japanese would align themselves with Nazis when the Nazis were into the Aryan purity thing. It has nothing to do with them being a diverse country as you implied, actually its quite the opposite, the are against that.

[Longtermgerm]

You know I see all these post about "looking for a job" etc. I was just down in Shinjuku and the homeless have set up their own city in one of the parks. I dont think Japan would be one of my first pics for job hunting these days.

[commando]

Wots so different about the Nazis wantin' to keep Germany pure Aryan, and the Uyoku Dantai wanting to keep Dai Nippon pure Japanese?

[dk]

Let's get back to reality....

GET A HAIRCUT AND GET A REAL JOB.

[DoctorP]

Let's get back to reality....

GET A HAIRCUT OR GET A REAL JOB.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAoXw_DqvM

[Sex Wax]

get a haircut or get a real job.

never !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[P_chan]

Nevermind, I see that it was already said.

[Longtermgerm]

Dk sorry about that, I think commando is trying to steer us over to a Klan rally. I dont know whats so special about being a pure Japanese, it cant be the physical looks. You know I see this halfu girl on the train during my commute, she is so fine. Allot of the toothy and bony features get softened up in the mix.

[dk]

Dk sorry about that, I think commando is trying to steer us over to a Klan rally. I dont know whats so special about being a pure Japanese, it cant be the physical looks. You know I see this halfu girl on the train during my commute, she is so fine. Allot of the toothy and bony features get softened up in the mix.
Oh man, half Japanese girls....

*shivers*

Hell yes.

[Sex Wax]

Oh man, half Japanese girls....

*shivers*

Hell yes.

Stay the hell away from my daughters.

[dk]

Stay the hell away from my daughters.
LMAO.... You stay away from mine too, hippy!

[Sex Wax]

LMAO.... You stay away from mine too, hippy!

HIPPY !?!?!?!?......you were a "hippy" too, you had to get a haircut for your job. AND you wear pants and shoes.

[Longtermgerm]

You know this girl looks to be in her early 20s always wearing the black suit that the freshman in the companies must wear. Her rack is stacked, her booty fruity. You can see the jealousy from the other babes on the train. There are allot of fine full breed Japanese babes, dont get me wrong, but they got the flat azz thing going and some are just too toothy.

[P_chan]

The correct term is "snaggle tooth".

Example:

"Damn she's fine but that bitch has a snaggle tooth!"

[dk]

There's no "but"... Snaggletooth is damn sexyhot.

[Longtermgerm]

Well P Im not down with the hood terms, I just express it the best way I know, what I feel. Toothy, flat azz and bony pretty much sum it up, especially the girl sitting across from me right now.

Also, snaggletooth describes an image of the teeth all fuked up. Thats a different thing, dude. Allot of Japanese women got good teeth, but its just like the head is too big or something and they got the overbite. Shiot like that.

[dk]

Well P Im not down with the hood terms, I just express it the best way I know, what I feel. Toothy, flat azz and bony pretty much sum it up, especially the girl sitting across from me right now.
Nothing wrong with those women! :thumbup:

[P_chan]

Well P Im not down with the hood terms, I just express it the best way I know, what I feel. Toothy, flat azz and bony pretty much sum it up, especially the girl sitting across from me right now.

Also, snaggletooth describes an image of the teeth all fuked up. Thats a different thing, dude. Allot of Japanese women got good teeth, but its just like the head is too big or something and they got the overbite. Shiot like that.

We all know how hood P_chan is:D

But yeah, snaggle tooth is just overall ****** up teeth. Guess ugly teeth is just a western stigma. Oh well, that wouldn't keep me from being attracted to her:thumbup:

[dk]

What is it called when you have a ****** up brain and you look like a fifteen year old and get carded for everything? I call it P_chanvitis. :D

[Muku]

LMAO.... You stay away from mine too, hippy!

You have daughters as in plural? And one's that are old enough to be scoped out?

You hide your age well......:rolleyes:

[Sex Wax]

You have daughters as in plural? And one's that are old enough to be scoped out?

You hide your age well......:rolleyes:

I have three daughters...and the oldest isnt that far away from dating. The next 10-15 years of my life will be filled with the joy of me smacking down the boys that try to date my daughters. I'm not stupid, I'm sure some of the dudes will succeed, but it will be fun to screw with them. The first boy to pick up my daughter will walk in on a bunch of old Surfers, Bikers, Yakuza and other miscreants, drinking booze, cleaning guns and sharpening knives. After he introduces himself, and I ask the poor boy what time he will have my daughter home, and he says "12:00", all the guys in the room will stand up and yell "11:00 or your dead". I see much fun soon.

[Muku]

I have three daughters...and the oldest isnt that far away from dating. The next 10-15 years of my life will be filled with the joy of me smacking down the boys that try to date my daughters. I'm not stupid, I'm sure some of the dudes will succeed, but it will be fun to screw with them. The first boy to pick up my daughter will walk in on a bunch of old Surfers, Bikers, Yakuza and other miscreants, drinking booze, cleaning guns and sharpening knives. After he introduces himself, and I ask the poor boy what time he will have my daughter home, and he says "12:00", all the guys in the room will stand up and yell "11:00 or your dead". I see much fun soon.
My daughter is 22:D:dead:

[uriel]

Mine's 3. luckily i have a few years left until i feel Sex Wax' pain...

[kintama]

BRING BACK THE GERM! Let him back...just don't fuel his fire.