Katrina....STILL?

[Angel21]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/662740

I came across some news that was rather alarming. After two years, and much publicity, SOME Katrina victims yet to receive their promised aid. I was just curious as to how other countries viewed this issue, so I thought I would start here. How do some of you feel about the continued delay of aid given to Katrina victims? My question is, "Where the HECK as all the MONEY GONE TO"?:ohmy:

[P_chan]

Heh I never got all my stuff back after katrina either.

[Asshat]

[url]Where the HECK as all the MONEY GONE TO"?

The rest of the world wonders why there is a city below sea level with inadequate protection.

The rest of the money (meaning our tax revenue) has probably gone to war fighting, new peanut storage silos, or a lucrative government contract in Deluth. Meanwhile, little old ladies in New York can't get homeowners insurance any more.

[atb35]

Unfortunately I cant read that story here, but my take on anything Katrina related is:

If you had insurance and the companys tried to f-k you over....they should be sued.
If you didnt have insurance.....quit f-king whining. It isnt the US Governments responsibility to provide for every poor or cheap bastard in the country. There is nothing in our constitution that states the government will reimburse citizens after natural disasters.
IF there was a fault of the government that caused loss, I can understand that, but because someone is poor or because they didnt want to pay for insurance....that is BS!

[newvalor]

Unfortunately I cant read that story here, but my take on anything Katrina related is:

If you had insurance and the companys tried to f-k you over....they should be sued.
If you didnt have insurance.....quit f-king whining. It isnt the US Governments responsibility to provide for every poor or cheap bastard in the country. There is nothing in our constitution that states the government will reimburse citizens after natural disasters.
IF there was a fault of the government that caused loss, I can understand that, but because someone is poor or because they didnt want to pay for insurance....that is BS!

I remember awhile back I saw a story after Katrina stating that many people did not want to be rescued because they thought it would cost too much. Now I don't know about anybody else, but that kinda shows that somebody somewhere in that city had put alot of BS in thier minds and thats probably why alot of people were poor.

But blaming the Gov. for a "natural" disaster is just stupid. I know there were some shortfalls in the system but you can't blame everybody but yourself for staying, thinking that they could just ride it out. They had ample enough time to leave, knowing it was catergory 3 hurricane.

[P_chan]

A lot of people didn't decide to leave until the very last minute and got caught out in the storm.

[Hollarey]

Yeah, a lot of people denied the transportation out of there. Their was a lot of finger pointing. NOLA just wasnt prepared. They have lucked out for years; however, now they are prepared and have better pumping systems to to prevent the town from flooding again. Let's just hope they are better.

[Fonze]

First and foremost the hurricane did not cause the majority of the damge, the leevies did.
Second these I have no petty for people who had little, but government checks, complaining about they deserve everything. Yes they deserve help, and food even shelter, but not checks for thousands and thousands of dollarsthey never had before.
I also laugh at the way poor are described in america (not homeless). They have houses, frigdes, microwaves,tv's, cars all maybe not the best but they have them. In many other countries they would be very well to do.

[newvalor]

well if the hurricane had not hit La. then the leavies wouldn't have broke..... right, so if it was the leavies faults then who is to blame? they were probably built how long ago, and by whom.

don't get me wrong, half those people besides do deserve some things and from the looting that occured shouldn't deserve anything. I do also question where the money is, I hear the stories of the FEMA trailers just sitting in lots waiting to be used or unuseable for some reason.

[atb35]

I guess I am just an a-hole because my thought is...why do they DESERVE anything? Why is it the governments responsibility to support people? If someone cant make it on their own, tough sh$t! People that are too damn lazy to work, or wont work for minimum wage dont deserve shit. Let them find their own way. If people would stop helping them, they would find a way to do it.

[Muku]

If people would stop helping them, they would find a way to do it.

Sure they would pick up a gun and go rob their next door neighbor because finding a job that "suits" them is just too hard.

I also laugh at the way poor are described in america (not homeless). They have houses, frigdes, microwaves,tv's, cars all maybe not the best but they have them. In many other countries they would be very well to do
It is a joke isnt it? It is sad that the US's so called poor have so much. It boggles the mind what they have in comparison to what the poor around the rest of the world dont. The government and thereby the people are guilty for allowing the US to become a welfare state.

The US is the only country in the world where the poor drive around in Cadillac's and the middle class drive compact cars.:thumbdown::rolleyes:

[atb35]

As long as they are robbing and killing each other, it is all good. Funny about that though, they can afford guns, smokes, pot, and alcohol, but are poor....

[P_chan]

I guess I am just an a-hole because my thought is...why do they DESERVE anything? Why is it the governments responsibility to support people? If someone cant make it on their own, tough sh! People that are too damn lazy to work, or wont work for minimum wage dont deserve shit. Let them find their own way. If people would stop helping them, they would find a way to do it.

I agree with you on this point. A lot of americans are just too lazy to go out and get a job yet the government supports them. The only thing the government should do to support them is maybe help them find a job, but not give money hand outs.

I believe this happens to a lot of standards in the united states, like education. Seems like they are always dumbing things down for the kids who can't quite get it. Sure you should help them, but you shouldn't hold other students back.

[Fonze]

I question all these former residents that didn't return to rebuild their city when the time came and were mad at the illegals and other americans from other cities doing it. Oh ya they were getting free rent and other handouts around the country and realized there city sucked blls.

[atb35]

I honestly believe alot of the poor people that lived there were happy when Katrina hit....they were thinking...PAYDAY! those ATM cards for 2k each sure proved that hope true!

[socalheart]

If someone was living in government housing, the government should find them a similar residence and assist them in finding them jobs in the new place. If they don't want to leave their old neighborhood, then they're on their own. Relying on government assistance 100% has its price as well.

In the video above, it seems that those featured had insurance, but also needed the government funding to bring their home back to its pre-disaster state. They seemed to have been following all the directions correctly. Insurance may have only covered so much.

It looks to me, that the company in charge of processing the claims is taking the money from the government for itself, namely to give bonuses to executives who don't deserve them. In our company, if the goal of the company is met, we get bonuses, not before.

This whole thing is disturbing, because it could happen to any of us living stateside. I can't imagine losing everything my family built and then having to fight the government to get back on our feet due to no fault of ours. What really chaps my hide is that according to the report, those residents of Mississippi have received their reimbursements, but Louisiana residents are still treading flood waters, so to speak.

[Angel21]

This whole thing is disturbing, because it could happen to any of us living stateside. I can't imagine losing everything my family built and then having to fight the government to get back on our feet due to no fault of ours. What really chaps my hide is that according to the report, those residents of Mississippi have received their reimbursements, but Louisiana residents are still treading flood waters, so to speak.

I agree with Socalheart NOT because it was what I wanted to hear but because it TRUE :thumbup:

Second these I have no petty for people who had little, but government checks, complaining about they deserve everything.

As long as they are robbing and killing each other, it is all good. Funny about that though, they can afford guns, smokes, pot, and alcohol, but are poor....

Sure they would pick up a gun and go rob their next door neighbor because finding a job that "suits" them is just too hard.

I can't believe what I'm reading? Most of you that responded to this tread stated a lot of RACIST ASS REMARKS! New Orleans is made up of about 60-70% African Americans. According you guys,” THEY" are all on government checks, LAZY, don't want to work, AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE ROBBING AND KILLING EACH OTHER, IT IS ALL GOOD! :ohmy: :barf: It really breaks my heart, and scares me that MOST OF YOU think this way!: scared: My husband and I are of mix race( black/white/Sicilian), and the "THEY" you are referring to , are people like “US”! My husband is a Pilot, my mother is a top Engineer for the Boeing Company, my Father is a surgeon in San Francisco, and I'm a Vet Tech. / Actress! Yeah guys, you've been chatting with someone who's been in a couple of films! (Not adult or low budget):thumbup1: I really hope you all re-evaluate your thoughts concerning African American people. And please don’t blame the News, if your only exposure to African American is the media. I know the media didn't broadcast only poor African Americans when Katrina hit, so that’s no excuse for the RACIST comments posted here! They also showed African Americans who were educated, didn't own any weapons, had jobs, and didn't smoke "POT"! All "THEY" wanted was the same treatment ANY other state would get, AND HAS RECEIVED. Look at Florida's turn around TIME, when ever a hurricane hits! REPAIRS AND AID IS GIVEN SO FAST, the state have enough time to rig a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION! :ohmy: As of today, I will no longer be apart of this forum, and I'm not looking for anyone to respond to my message! (But I’m sure some of you will) I wish nothing but the best for everyone here, so good luck to all and keep "THE POSITIVE FLOWING" GOD BLESS :thumbup1:

[P_chan]

I think your just turning it into something racist. I never once heard someone say 'african american'. I heard people say poor but not african american.

If anything, your the one who just labeled african americans as lazy pot smoking criminals.

[DoctorP]

As of today, I will no longer be apart of this forum, and I'm not looking for anyone to respond to my message! (But I’m sure some of you will) I wish nothing but the best for everyone here, so good luck to all and keep "THE POSITIVE FLOWING" GOD BLESS :thumbup1:

If that is the way you feel...thanks for visiting while you did! It is easy to tell you are associated with the military, seeing as how you group the entire forum community in together just because of a few posts. Sounds like to me, you are being a bit judgmental yourself. Rise above girl, rise above! <group hug>

[Asshat]

Most of you that responded to this tread stated a lot of [U]RACIST ASS REMARKS!:

That is your rather narrow view. I didn't see any mention of ethnic groups.

and the [B]"THEY" you are referring to , are people like “US”! My husband is a Pilot, my mother is a top Engineer for the Boeing Company, my Father is a surgeon in San Francisco, and I'm a Vet Tech. / Actress!:

I had no idea most of New Orleans were pilots, actresses and engineers for Boeing. Sounds like you have some rather stereotypic views yourself.

I STILL don't want to spend my tax money on people who refuse to take care of themselves. Call me greedy. Or maybe I'll move to New Orleans and sit around and bitch about the government not taking care of my a55.

[DougP]

Where were they racist comments? I read this thread over a few times and the only mention of race came from Angel21's post. I'm confused.:(

[DoctorP]

There were no racist comments. She thought them up in her own head. The only thing said was they, them. Obviously she feels as though everyone meant blacks...it's up for her own interpretation, but doesn't matter now as she has left the building!

[Fonze]

I think u and us all.

And to the whole florida thing those people didn't run away and stay away they wanted there life back they got it. I f NO really didn't have the money how come people were coming from all over the place. Im Mexican American, mexican blood american heart and angel21 ur ignorant in your comments.

[Hollarey]

wow...I had this whole post responding to that but didnt see it worth the effort. No one was directing any comments towards the black community, it was directed towards the "poor."

[Muku]

I wish Angel would come back here and take a look at the thread again. Some of the comments were tongue in cheek, some however were serious about not just the poor in NO but in America in general.

Angel I am sorry you had to make it into a racial "thing". I never figured you had such a huge chip on your shoulder.

I am sorry to see you go, but that is your choice of course, but please remember this, in this case you were the one that took it past a discussion about poor and people working to take care of themselves instead of relying on the government to a racial issue. Oh and the last I was in NO, it wasnt just blacks living there either, people of all races were there. :)

[newvalor]

People who claim racism I feel are the ones that are racists themselves. I none of the posts was any claim against any race, please I hope she re-reads and edits if not deletes her post.

There were many ethnicities involved in Katrina, thou to say that many shown on t.v. were African American. But of course many people these days don't fall for the political agenda of the News Corp's, showing only the bad side of things. Many times I did watch the news only to see the bad side of things, the suffering people being shown as propoganda rather than showing the good things that people would see and go search for themselves.

How's that statement go??? You can take a person fishing for a day and feed them for a day, You can teach a person how to fish and feed them for a lifetime. Anyways, if you show people that they can rebuild they will. but when you have those that sit around waiting for thier turn to be given, then nothing will happen. Not sure if those mix right........

[atb35]

Well to be fair to her...whenever Katrina is mentioned, SOMEONE will make it a racial issue. Unfortunately SOME African Americans are still looking to make every issue a racial issue. Why is it that when they bitch about minorities being mistreated, they only mention African Americans?

I dont get why afluent people of African American decent get so butthurt about people referring to poor minorities. I came from white trash and when someone makes fun of people similar to my family with two teeth and inbreeding, I dont get butt hurt...why do they?

Although I feel bad for people who lose everything they own in natural
disasters...I dont understand how it is the governments responsibility to help them out. Shi t happens, you deal with it. Maybe if America in general would learn to help themselves we wouldnt rely on the dumbas s government when SHI T does happen.

[Muku]

You know the one "word" that sticks out here the most, to me anyway, in all of these posts about Katrina.

American's

Not black, white, yellow, brown, purple or green American's, just plain ol' American's.

Why in the hell do so many people have such a chip on their shoulder when it comes to discussing Katrina? Good lord, Florida and parts of the SE coast suffer through hurricanes yearly, the west coast eathquakes, the mid-west yearly flooding and does anyone hear the same amount of bitching and moaning going on? Why do so many people that live in that area "expect" the government to come to their aid? I think that many in America have it too good.

Off topic comment here;
On a totally different note, I am kind of glad that WWII happened in the era that it did, because if it happened today and with the apathy that easy living has breed into society I highly doubt that the US could "join" together as it did back then and repeat the victory it won then. When I refer to easy living I am comparing the general population of the US with the majority of the rest of the world.

Back on topic for the finish;
Sorry for the rant, but I think that Angel's post bugged me more than I thought.:o and it makes me a bit more than :mad: because it is people like her that in my opinion truly drag everyone else down into the mud.

Now I wish she hadn't run away and hid after making those comments that she did. But I guess that is the nature of a forum like this.:(:)

[newvalor]

You know the one "word" that sticks out here the most, to me anyway, in all of these posts about Katrina.

American's

Not black, white, yellow, brown, purple or green American's, just plain ol' American's.

Why in the hell do so many people have such a chip on their shoulder when it comes to discussing Katrina? Good lord, Florida and parts of the SE coast suffer through hurricanes yearly, the west coast eathquakes, the mid-west yearly flooding and does anyone hear the same amount of bitching and moaning going on? Why do so many people that live in that area "expect" the government to come to their aid? I think that many in America have it too good.

Off topic comment here;
On a totally different note, I am kind of glad that WWII happened in the era that it did, because if it happened today and with the apathy that easy living has breed into society I highly doubt that the US could "join" together as it did back then and repeat the victory it won then. When I refer to easy living I am comparing the general population of the US with the majority of the rest of the world.

Back on topic for the finish;
Sorry for the rant, but I think that Angel's post bugged me more than I thought.:o and it makes me a bit more than :mad: because it is people like her that in my opinion truly drag everyone else down into the mud.

Now I wish she hadn't run away and hid after making those comments that she did. But I guess that is the nature of a forum like this.:(:)

I can account for something of what you mentioned about people just going on and doing what we have always done after a natural disaster. It flooded really bad back home in Tx. and Oklahoma. Well Ok. went on to claim a disaster zone to claim federal funds while the Texans just went on about our business as usual. They put up places and made every move possible to take care of the people and help them get started, many people wanted to get back home and start over hoping for new opportunities they could do.

I think Katrina still was just a wake up call of how lazy some americans can be these days. They show no will to rebuild or even help in any manner, they expect everything to be delivered. Well sorry folks but we're not Burger King, you can't have it your way...

And to add on the Racial issue, sorry she had to get so butt-hurt throwing the racial card out. I can't stand people who make everything a racial issue, it's like a last resort for somebody who has either no education or just can't get a clue whats going on. Throw the racial card cause i'm not part of the group, throw the racial card cause everybody looks at me funny, etc. It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[atb35]

[I]On a totally different note, I am kind of glad that WWII happened in the era that it did, because if it happened today and with the apathy that easy living has breed into society I highly doubt that the US could "join" together as it did back then and repeat the victory it won then. When I refer to easy living I am comparing the general population of the US with the majority of the rest of the world.

Im going to start a different thread about this, interesting topic...dont want to turn this racial subject to a different topic..lol

[Muku]

Im going to start a different thread about this, interesting topic...dont want to turn this racial subject to a different topic..lol

Thank you....should have done that myself instead of putting it here, I apologize for that. The thought popped into my head as I was "ranting":o

[Honduh]

I agree with Socalheart NOT because it was what I wanted to hear but because it TRUE :thumbup:
I can't believe what I'm reading? Most of you that responded to this tread stated a lot of RACIST ASS REMARKS! New Orleans is made up of about 60-70% African Americans. According you guys,” THEY" are all on government checks, LAZY, don't want to work, AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE ROBBING AND KILLING EACH OTHER, IT IS ALL GOOD! :ohmy: :barf: It really breaks my heart, and scares me that MOST OF YOU think this way!: scared: My husband and I are of mix race( black/white/Sicilian), and the "THEY" you are referring to , are people like “US”! My husband is a Pilot, my mother is a top Engineer for the Boeing Company, my Father is a surgeon in San Francisco, and I'm a Vet Tech. / Actress! Yeah guys, you've been chatting with someone who's been in a couple of films! (Not adult or low budget):thumbup1: I really hope you all re-evaluate your thoughts concerning African American people. And please don’t blame the News, if your only exposure to African American is the media. I know the media didn't broadcast only poor African Americans when Katrina hit, so that’s no excuse for the RACIST comments posted here! They also showed African Americans who were educated, didn't own any weapons, had jobs, and didn't smoke "POT"! All "THEY" wanted was the same treatment ANY other state would get, AND HAS RECEIVED. Look at Florida's turn around TIME, when ever a hurricane hits! REPAIRS AND AID IS GIVEN SO FAST, the state have enough time to rig a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION! :ohmy: As of today, I will no longer be apart of this forum, and I'm not looking for anyone to respond to my message! (But I’m sure some of you will) I wish nothing but the best for everyone here, so good luck to all and keep "THE POSITIVE FLOWING" GOD BLESS :thumbup1:

So...I dont understand your point at all. You make very little sense. :scared:

Racist? Thats half the problem with the people down there, and most race issues these days. They think everyone is out to get them for whatever reason, they think everyone owes them something, or whatever the case may be. Its quite pathetic in reality.

Were they givin help, sure they were. Shelter, money, food...and they all were abused. Sure the media only covers 'what sells', so in reality is it EVERYONE who abused the money? Probably not. However, in this day in age, you can hop on the internet and talk with someone who lives there or has been there to see it first hand....Almost all will tell you that its now in those peoples' lap to continue on with life and move on, which is the way I see it. If after 2 years you havent figured out what your gonna do with your life...your a turd to begin with. Quit waiting on the govt to give you everything. It was never there fault to begin with.

Now, this might sound contridicting (sp) but I do think that some effort needs to be put forth to fix those levies and get that city rolling again. It will be a huge selling point for the next presidential race IMO (in that area)...though not really mentioned yet.

[DougP]

Well we could always sell New Orleans back to the French and split the earnings with the Katrina victims.:)

[P_chan]

As of today, I will no longer be apart of this forum, and I'm not looking for anyone to respond to my message!

Thats a flat out lie, I noticed you signed on twice yesterday.

Honestly, I'm starting to think that you were trying to rile up other members of the forum on purpose. Then you were hoping someone would slip up and actually say something racist, so you could try to prove your point.

I'm pretty sure there isn't anyone on this forum who is a racist, not from my experience anyway. Hell I bet a lot of people here are married to people of japanese ethnic background. Not only japanese either! Probably people married to other ethnicities as well!

[DougP]

biracial marriages FTW!! Woot.

[TheNoNamedOne]

I haven't read this whole thread. Just jumping in real fast:

With sea levels rising and storms forcasted to get much worse, I really don't see the wisdom in rebuilding New Orleans. I also tend to think that the government does not have the responsibility to pay homeowners to help them rebuild. Like someone else said, they should have had insurance to protect them from such a situation which had been warned could happen for years.

That said, if the government does provide funds for families to rebuild, I think it should be stipulated that these funds cannot be used to rebuild or acquire a house in New Orleans. The government should have a planned policy of depopulating the area of New Orleans and let nature take back the mouth of the Mississippi as much as possible.

The only thing I think the government should keep maintaing and operating as much as possible would be the port services of New Orleans and a road system that would link it out of there. Since it is such a huge unloading port from goods the world over and sends shipments up the Mississippi, I don't think that at the time it would be economically wise to abandon that aspect of New Orleans.

Sorry to have repeated any points the discussion thus far has already past over. Jumping out.

[socalheart]

Well we could always sell New Orleans back to the French and split the earnings with the Katrina victims.:)

Ha! That's a great idea, but there are probably some things not even the French will take back for free! :D